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I didn't vote, because I am completely disillusioned with the American left, but I also do not endorse the republican right.

I think it is a mistake to turn the UFC into a platform for political propaganda. Dana is free to support Trump and they are free to give him free seats, as well as to anyone else they want. And they can and should show him in attendance, as they do with celebrities, and even emphasize his presence, as they have done. But as a company, they represent the fighters, workers and fanbase, and many people involved, including the fighters, might not align with that message or with actively showing a trailer for the guy. Even if a minority is in that position, it generates polarization.

This is selfish and disrespectful to fighters: the company represents not only the will of the owners, but the people that work and compete there. It was a polarizing and needless avowal of Trump.

Leaving freedom for any fighter to express their views is good; making the show a vehicle of support for one side of a very divisive bipartisan political system, is not. I would think the exact same thing regardless of the politician, party, or position.

Flame away...
 
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Trump tapped into the WWF market of the slightly more 'loser' side of the male demographic, the kind that fetishise the warrior the strongman and probably harbour fantasies of strength and power of a kind they will never have. The Vince McMahon documentary on netflix touches on it better than I can.. this is just the next evolution of that. What percentage of Kamala voters do you think watch UFC? And how many UFC viewers like Trump? You might not like it but it makes sense for him to go on a PR push in that kind of environment
 
Zanmato said:
Trump tapped into the WWF market of the slightly more 'loser' side of the male demographic, the kind that fetishise the warrior the strongman and probably harbour fantasies of strength and power of a kind they will never have. The Vince McMahon documentary on netflix touches on it better than I can.. this is just the next evolution of that. What percentage of Kamala voters do you think watch UFC? And how many UFC viewers like Trump? You might not like it but it makes sense for him to go on a PR push in that kind of environment
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I think this is a good read. Yet, even if a relatively small minority of the workers, viewers, and fighters in the UFC are democrat leaning, this was needlessly polarizing. I seriously had a friend tonight who walked out of the fights, and said he's done with the UFC. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people, who feel very strongly politically, would take such stances. It seems needlessly confrontational and taking one side of a very divisive issue.
 
Nice way of saying you don't stand for anything.

people who voted for Trump voted for policy.

Energy policy, border policy, inflation, foreign policy, crime and cost of living. Anyone who voted based on these issues didn't have to be left or right, they just had to have common sense.

Only a low iq celebrity who lives in a gated community or an emotional woman could have not voted for Trump.

Elon used to be a leftist but even he understood what was at stake here. I remember growing up democrats were a real thing and were a lot like like Trump is today.

The democrat party today has been completely hijacked by mentally ill liberals who don't understand how their electricity is powered.
 
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Meh.

I lean left for sure and I think Trump is a retard but when he comes to the UFC he’s not making policy or pushing an agenda.

He’s one of the boys hanging out and it provides a moment for the crowd to mark out in a moment of patriotic unity.

The fighters sucking his dick in the post fight is a bit much imo but I guess wtf do I care. It’s not much different than thanking your BJJ coach I guess.
 
WoozyFailGuy said:
He's the President, get over it. Years ago, people would drool at the prospect of a POTUS showing up to an event, let alone being an avid fan and supporter of the sport.

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You are either not reading or not understanding what you're reading. Having the president in the show is a big deal, and he company can both show and extend that courtesy. To explicitly turn the show into a propaganda machine, with a house-ran trailer supporting Trump's victory, is something else.

Get over what?
 
krelianx said:
I think this is a good read. Yet, even if a relatively small minority of the workers, viewers, and fighters in the UFC are democrat leaning, this was needlessly polarizing. I seriously had a friend tonight who walked out of the fights, and said he's done with the UFC. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people, who feel very strongly politically, would take such stances. It seems needlessly confrontational and taking one side of a very divisive issue.
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It's a shame they feel that way as Trump has been involved in UFC from the early days, and the company was taken into the public sphere by a casino owning money laundering crime family, it's not like they could have gone into the event with their eyes closed

Trump won and controls the political favours of the day. I don't think it's taking a side or not, personally.. he's in charge and that's that. It's good business to have him amongst your friends, even if an employee is sad about that
 
Ludwig von Mises said:
Nice way of saying you don't stand for anything.

people who voted for Trump voted for policy.

Energy policy, inflation, foreign policy, crime and cost of living. Anyone who voted based on these issues didn't have to be left or right, they just had to have common sense.

Only a low iq celebrity who lives in a gated community or an emotional woman could have not voted for Trump.
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Right, so 90+% of the academic constituency, to which I belong, is below 80-IQ.

This is not about Trump vs. Kamala.
 
krelianx said:
, with a house-ran trailer supporting Trump's victory, is something else.
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Oh shit did I miss this while switching streams maybe? I didn’t catch this so it kinda shits on my earlier post
 
Zanmato said:
It's a shame they feel that way as Trump has been involved in UFC from the early days, and the company was taken into the public sphere by a casino owning money laundering crime family, it's not like they could have gone into the event with their eyes closed

Trump won and controls the political favours of the day. I don't think it's taking a side or not, personally.. he's in charge and that's that. It's good business to have him amongst your friends, even if an employee is sad about that
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I see this, and think you are totally right. I think the breaking point was when they decided to show a dedicated trailer for Trump, as opposed to show him as a celebrity among others, even if they had always done so with emphasis.


I don't think it would be necessary to go as far as the UFC did, which was effectively to act as a propaganda machine. Again, I'd say the same if it was any other political figure, left or right, or center.
 
krelianx said:
I didn't vote, because I am completely disillusioned with the American left, but I also do not endorse the republican right.

I think it is a mistake to turn the UFC into a platform for political propaganda. Dana is free to support Trump and they are free to give him free seats, as well as to anyone else they want. But as a company, many people involved, including the fighters, might not align with that message. They are the stars of the show, and they might not represent the politics put forth. Even if a minority is in that position, it generates polarization.

This is selfish and disrespectful to fighters: the company represents not only the will of the owners, but the people that work and compete there. It was a polarizing and needless avowal of Trump.

Leaving freedom for any fighter to express their views is good; making the show a vehicle of support for one side of a very divisive bipartisan political system, is not. I would think the exact same thing regardless of the politician, party, or position.

Flame away...
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If the fighters dont like it they can fight elsewhere.
 
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