Opinion Trump administration in talks to send Venezuelan gang members to El Salvador prisons

[Deleted member 577981]

LOL, You DID NOT answer my question. you danced around it.

and as I said above, there is no precedent for denial of due process being set by Trump. That ship sailed years ago.

Are you saying some or all of 137 people deported under the Alien Enemies Act are actually US citizens?

Tell me you don't know how to read without telling me you don't know how to read.

 

[Fergelmince]

Tell me you don't know how to read without telling me you don't know how to read.

How many of your boys here are US Citizens? Which ones?

 

[djacobox372]

No, bro, I'm not lying. You're overthinking this, you're overemotional and you can't think straight.

Regardless, answer the question:

Are you saying some or all of 137 people deported under the Alien Enemies Act are actually US citizens?

They could be... the only thing we can go off is "the word" of the government.

You seem to trust government far more than most do. Seems naive.

Personally I doubt any are US citizens, it's too early for the administration to pull that off... but it's very likely that some aren't criminals, or even here illegally, and now they will likely die a horrible death in a foreign prison that we paid to dispose of them.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

They could be... the only thing we can go off is "the word" of the government.

You seem to trust government far more than most do. Seems naive.

Personally I doubt any are US citizens, it's too early for the administration to pull that off... but it's very likely that some aren't criminals, or even here illegally, and now they will likely die a horrible death in a foreign prison that we paid to dispose of them.

This

 

[avenue94]

they are getting due process. Regardless, Trump can deport WITHOUT due process if he wants to given the Alien Enemies Act allows for deportation WITHOUT any formal process

Except that Act only applies to countries, and Trump was very careful to not apply it to a country. Ergo, it's a flagrant abuse of the law.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I think that's part of their plan. Scare innocent people into thinking they're going to be sent to some dystopian hellscape in El Salvador with ZERO justification or due process thanks to a law from 1798. Cruelty is the point.

Yup. Intimidation and high-profile but ultimately meaningless cases are what they're going for.

Absolutely no sign of "mass deportations the likes of which have never been seen!" as promised

Pretty hilarious when a few hundred deportations make headlines. Ok, you got these 800 illegals, when are you getting the 20,000,000 others?

 

[Fergelmince]

Except that Act only applies to countries, and Trump was very careful to not apply it to a country. Ergo, it's a flagrant abuse of the law.

Nah, there's no "flagrant abuse of the law" lol. Most countries knew Biden had opened the border, eliminating most obstacles to entering and remaining in the US, so it's fair to speculate Venezuela helped push the criminal element out of their country in to the US.

 

[avenue94]

Nah, there's no "flagrant abuse of the law" lol. Most countries knew Biden had opened the border, eliminating most obstacles to entering and remaining in the US, so it's fair to speculate Venezuela helped push the criminal element out of their country in to the US.

You're ducking the question. As it is written, can the Alien Enemies Act be applied to anything other than a country?

 

[Fergelmince]

You're ducking the question. As it is written, can the Alien Enemies Act be applied to anything other than a country?

I just applied it to Venezuela.

 

[avenue94]

I just applied it to Venezuela.

Oh, are you the president? The law requires a declaration of war or imminent invasion from a country.

Where is those in this case?

 

[Fergelmince]

Oh, are you the president? The law requires a declaration of war or imminent invasion from a country.

Where is those in this case?

In 2020, there were less than 1300 Venezuelans encountered at the border. between 2021 and 2024 there were almost 600,000 Venezuelans encountered at the border. That definitely qualifies as an invasion.

 

[avenue94]

In 2020, there were less than 1300 Venezuelans encountered at the border. between 2021 and 2024 there were almost 600,000 Venezuelans encountered at the border. That definitely qualifies as an invasion.

Again are you the president or congress? This is cut and dry, the act requires a formla declaration of war or an invasion from another country.

It's very obvious you've never read the act. Are you going to lie and claim you have?

 

[Fergelmince]

Again are you the president or congress? This is cut and dry, the act requires a formla declaration of war or an invasion from another country.

It's very obvious you've never read the act. Are you going to lie and claim you have?

Not with respect to an invasion, buddeh. I don't think YOU'VE read the act.

 

[avenue94]

Not with respect to an invasion, buddeh. I don't think YOU'VE read the act.

Where has Trump formally argued that, in legal terms, that another country is invading?

 

[Fergelmince]

Where has Trump formally argued that, in legal terms, that another country is invading?

He doesn't need to "formally" argue "that, in legal terms." The law has been passed, Trump is the motherfuckin' POTUS, and they're deporting these criminal illegal aliens under this act.

 

[evergreenrider]

Same people who bitch about Ruby Ridge overreach will cheer about this.

Its pretty transparent, Ruby Ridge they can see happening to themselves, they don't see themselves as a victims of ICE overreach, even if they do catch some US citizens chances are they will be minority US citizens which a lot of Americans don't consider as "real citizens".

I mean hell, Trump himself is arguing that a lot of US citizens aren't real citizens by going after Birthright citizenship.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Well....... now Trump is rounding up randoms and shipping them to foreign prisons.

Not a dictator, right magats?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Same people who bitch about Ruby Ridge overreach will cheer about this.

Its pretty transparent, Ruby Ridge they can see happening to themselves, they don't see themselves as a victims of ICE overreach, even if they do catch some US citizens chances are they will be minority US citizens which a lot of Americans don't consider as "real citizens".

I mean hell, Trump himself is arguing that a lot of US citizens aren't real citizens by going after Birthright citizenship.

This is a good point.

On one hand, fuck gang members and I love that they are getting the worst hell hole in the world.

On the other, how confident are we that there aren’t any American citizens involved?

IDGAF about non-citizens here illegally in this case.

 

[avenue94]

He doesn't need to "formally" argue "that, in legal terms." The law has been passed, Trump is the motherfuckin' POTUS, and they're deporting these criminal illegal aliens under this act.

And this is why I know you're a dumbfuck who never read the legislation in question. Here's the literal first sentence below. When did Congress declare war?

"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event..."

 

[evergreenrider]

Well....... now Trump is rounding up randoms and shipping them to foreign prisons.

Not a dictator, right magats?

They're criminals! Which there have been exactly 0 of in my entire family history may I add. Can't do the time, don't do the crime is what grandpappy used to say