International Trump Admin accidentally leaks Yemeni war plans....

[Hotora86]

Maybe under the Vance presidency. We will wait and see

Nah, the next POTUS is Elon Musk who'll just drop intel on X for views.

 

[essie]

Just took a peek at Fox News site and this isn’t on the site.

I’m sure it would have been treated the same way if it were the last administration.

They do have some pretty solid coverage on the box office performance of the new Snow White though.

 

[curryjunkie]

Admittedly, I haven't read a thing beyond a few posts and the title of the thread, but this just sounds like sensationalist garbage, I'm just having a hard time discerning if it's from the media or the admin which is concerning.

That isn't to say this "leak" doesn't hold true information, but I question if it was accidental.

thats right it was in fact a brilliant 4d chess plan....

 

[Hotora86]

Guys, it's all part of Trump's secret plan to take Putin down.

As per Google, evidence suggests that people CAN indeed succumb to death by laughing too hard.

 

[calavera2]

Stunning Signal leak reveals depths of Trump administration’s loathing of Europe​

Andrew Rothin Washington

Messages inadvertently shared with Atlantic journalist lay bare the unvarnished truth about how Vance and Hegseth feel about European allies

If Europe wasn’t already on notice, the extraordinary leak of deliberations by JD Vance and other top-level Trump administration officials over a strike against the Houthis in Yemen was another sign that it has a target on its back.

The administration officials gave Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic a front-row seat to the planning for the strike against the Houthis – a stunning intelligence leak that has caused anger against Republicans who called for criminal investigations against Hillary Clinton and others for playing fast and loose with sensitive information.

On the face of it, the strike against the Houthis had far more to do with the administration’s policies on protecting maritime trade and containing Iran than its concerns about Europe freeloading on US defense spending and military prowess.

But Vance appears determined to push that angle as a reason to postpone the strike.

“I think we are making a mistake,” wrote Vance, adding that while only 3% of US trade goes through the Suez canal, 40% of European trade does. “There is a real risk that the public doesn’t understand this or why it’s necessary,” he added. “The strongest reason to do this is, as [Trump] said, to send a message.”

Vance was contending that once again the United States is doing what Europe should be. It is consistent with his past arguments that the US is overpaying for European security and the derision he displayed toward European allies (almost certainly the UK and France) when he described them as “some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”. (Both fought in Afghanistan and the UK fought alongside the US in Iraq).

It was during this policy discussion, Goldberg wrote, that he was convinced that he was reading remarks by the real Vance, as well as defense secretary Pete Hegseth, national security advisor Michael Waltz, and senior Trump advisor Stephen Miller.

Then Vance went a step further. He tacitly admitted a difference between his foreign policy and Trump’s saying that the strike would undermine the president’s Europe policy – one that has been led by Vance in his divisive speech at the Munich Security Conference where he accused European leaders of running from their own electorates and of his Eurosceptic comments on Fox News.

“I am not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with his message on Europe right now,” Vance wrote. “There’s a further risk that we see a moderate to severe spike in oil prices. I am willing to support the consensus of the team and keep these concerns to myself. But there is a strong argument for delaying this a month, doing the messaging work on why this matters, seeing where the economy is, etc.”

Those designated on the call also reflect the vice-president’s growing clout in foreign policymaking circles. Vance named Andy Baker, his national security advisor who helped lead the transition team at the Pentagon, as his representative. Hegseth named Dan Caldwell, a leading proponent of “restraint” in the exercise of US foreign power abroad to protect Europe and counter rivals like Russia, indicating the Vance team’s presence at high levels of the Pentagon as well.

At heart, the disagreement indicated that Vance’s views of foreign policy are not quite aligned with Trump. Trump broadly sees the world as transactional and optimists in Europe have claimed he could force a positive outcome by forcing those nations to spend more on defense budgets. But Vance appears far more confrontational and principled in his antipathy toward the transatlantic alliance, and has attacked European leaders for backing values that he says are not aligned with the US.

That makes Vance even more of a concern for Europe. Kaja Kallas, the European foreign policy chief, accused Vance of “trying to pick a fight” with European allies. Another European diplomat said: “He is very dangerous for Europe … maybe the most [dangerous] in the administration.” Another said he was “obsessed” with driving a wedge between Europe and the US.

Back on the chat some sought – carefully – to talk Vance down. Hegseth said the strike would promote “core” American values including freedom of navigation and pre-establish deterrence. But he said the strikes could wait, if desired. Waltz, a foreign policy traditionalist, said: “It will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes.” But he agreed that the administration sought to “compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans”.

“If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again,” Vance replied. Hegseth agreed that “I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.” But, he added, “we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”

Miller, the Trump confidant, effectively ended the conversation by saying that the president had been clear. “Green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.”

Broadly, the administration’s policies on Europe are coming into focus. And there are few stepping up to voice backing for Nato or for Europe writ large. On a podcast interview this weekend, the senior Trump envoy Steve Witkoff mused about the potential for the Gulf economies to replace those of Europe. “It could be much bigger than Europe. Europe is dysfunctional today,” he said.

Tucker Carlson, the host and another Trump confidant, agreed. “It would be good for the world because Europe is dying,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-of-trump-administrations-loathing-of-europe

jesus...all this on their cell phones, on a signal app, with a journalist on board...

that's what you get when you hire fox news hosts and sycophants...

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

If they continue botching their own military operations then WikiLeaks won't have much to release on the US government. The Trump administration 2.0 must be the envy of all whistleblowers, leakers, and dissidents. MAGA!

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

thats right it was in fact a brilliant 4d chess plan....

I read this in a leprechaun voice.

 

[milliniar]

This has gotta be a wake up call before something worse happens.. if this stuff still goes on beyond this point, I don’t even know what to say.. it’s beyond negligent.

They are lucky it was just some reporter.. who is to say they haven’t already fucked up before this and “accidentally” included someone even worse.

It’s so embarrassing and awful - goes way beyond just political parties bickering.. this stuff has very real stakes. American lives.

They could add a world leader with initials VP thinking it meant vice president.

 

[Kingz]

Little extra nothing sauce for a nothingburger. Not even use of Signal was improper.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Would be super awesome at some point in the near future someone who isn't a complete fuckin retard could rise up through the primaries.

One dude who's iq isn't single digits in the last 25 years isn't a good look. And I'm not even calling that guy a great president either I'm just stating a fact.

There isn't any way to defend this crap its absolutely disgraceful

 

[7even]

I’m skeptical, this feels like a deliberate leak to trick Europeans into thinking they’re battling for their own turf. If Hegseth really wrote it, he’d have just called the Europeans a pack of spineless cucks and skipped the diplomacy charade.

 

[cooks1]

No, thats not been my answer. I get that you want to put words in my mouth but I said nothing of the sort. I literally said they need to admit their fault. If they fucked up, they need to admit their mistake and own up to it.

I think you know that nothing will come of it. Whats the precedent? Do you want the Trump justice department to investigate? Or some committee headed up by Jasmine Crockett? I think you're just gearing up to be upset about the nothing you know will happen.

Assuming for a moment this is every bit the galactic incompetent fuck-up it appears to be, what in your mind would be sufficiently 'admitting your mistake' and 'owning up to it'?

Do you think the likes of Waltz and Hegseth should just say, 'Sorry it won't happen again' and keep their jobs? Or should they resign/be terminated? And what about the likes of Gabbard and Rubio. Both of them (Rubio in particular as a senator) would definitely have known discussing this information in this manner was completely inappropriate and probably illegal. Though it's possible they did not know how sensitive the information was ahead of time.

It's only taken a few months for these clowns to have a fuck-up of this magnitude. People's concern from the outset was they did not have the competence and skill to handle the job properly. Now we have our top defense officials sending out poll tweets about changing the name of the department and inviting journalists to skype about war plans.....in less than 3 months.

Maybe we just aren't seeing the same things.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Little extra nothing sauce for a nothingburger. Not even use of Signal was improper.

Signal is not authorized for any discussions involving national defense, war plans, or classified information. This is a serious security issue and you claiming it is a nothing burger is insanity

 

[Rod1]

Little extra nothing sauce for a nothingburger. Not even use of Signal was improper.

 

[Kingz]

Signal is not authority for any discussions involving national defense, war plans, or classified information. This is a serious security issue and you claiming it is a nothing burger is insanity

It’s not an issue as that requires it to be ongoing breach.

It was a security error by one man about a completed and successful operation

Averted. Trump is sticking with Waltz. Matter closed

What do you think should happen?

 

[Kingz]

He authorized it. It’s not Biden’s fault Waltz messed up but for those pretending that they were breaking the law by using Signal

 

[cooks1]

Little extra nothing sauce for a nothingburger. Not even use of Signal was improper.

You realize that approved methods of communication for non classified information are different than classified war plans right? There was nothing in that video that said Signal was approved for discussing classified war plans......and there was definitely nothing that said it was Ok to invite journalists to said discussions.

 

[cooks1]

It’s not an issue as that requires it to be ongoing breach.

It was a security error by one man about a completed and successful operation

Averted. Trump is sticking with Waltz. Matter closed

What do you think should happen?

My opinion.............Waltz and Hegseth both need to resign or be fired. Everyone else on the call needs to get out in front of the cameras, acknowledge the severity of the matter, apologize, and promise to do better. No need to tie up the justice dept with investigations. Just let these clowns go back to Fox News. That won't happen, but that's what should happen.

 

[calavera2]

He authorized it. It’s not Biden’s fault Waltz messed up but for those pretending that they were breaking the law by using Signal

They were...signal is not a secure platform for discussing classified material...neither is including a journalist in said communications

 

[USA!USA!]

Little extra nothing sauce for a nothingburger. Not even use of Signal was improper.

Brother you are more concerned with defending this administration than holding them accountable.

So the use was proper.. was adding a fucking journalist to your military strike conversation proper??? That is the more important question here.

That can't happen. Ever.

Hold them accountable.