TRUE Punching Power: Vic Darchinyan.

[Sinister]

mr sinister, I know you don't really believe power is the only thing vics got going for him.

He boxes better than people think, but do I think he'd be where he is sans the power? Nowhere near.

 

[Payak]

I agree,and he has developed his style to suit his power.
he is a lotta fun to watch i gotta say.

 

[icyblue17]

lol You must not have read my post. I mentioned both Donaire and Gorres, so quit trying to be a smartass. Donaire's the guy who I said turned Vic into goo. And Gorres went the distance but he was busted open, and nearly killed in the later rounds hitting the deck no less than 3 times.

Does that mean Vic doesn't hit hard? Absolutely not. ONE guy was successful in timing him enough to win the Fight. Aside from those two and one other guy, no one has seen the final bell against Vic.

Vic also went on to knock out two World Class Fighters immediately following the draw with Gorres, and unifying the division by winning 3 Titles. So I don't know what you're disagreeing with.

Wow, I thought you would be more civilized than a man calling someone a smartass. Anyway, It's not that I'm disagreeing that he has power. But I really don't think he deserves that "TRUE PUNCHING POWER AURA" YET. Maybe in the next two years he can prove that. Gorres ain't that hard to be KD'd, a lot of nobody's here in PI KD him and he's just hyped by ALA. Donaire was just too much for him in that fight. I would love to see a rematch BTW.

I based my conclusion that he did not really posses the "TRUE PUNCHING POWER" on his fight with Catubay. He was mauling Catubay for 10 rounds but only managed 2 KD's. The stoppage was as controversial as JFK's assasination. That's nobody who was KO'd 7 times by cab drivers(except for HH) prior to his match with Vic.

Anyway, I would love to see him fight some more and we'll see about the "TRUE PUNCHING POWER" that you said he has.

 

[MonstrositY]

the first ko of the first vid is nuts!

 

[Sinister]

Wow, I thought you would be more civilized than a man calling someone a smartass.

Why would you think that? You got called a smartass because you tried to mention two things I already did.

But I really don't think he deserves that "TRUE PUNCHING POWER AURA" YET.

And for things like how you keep capitalizing this whole statement for effect. I capitalize the "true" only, because many posters here seem to be confused about what punching power is and how it's used.

As far as Gorres is concerned, he can Fight. He arguably beat everyone's other favorite midget puncher in Fernando Montiel. And even though he wasn't KO'd, he was down no less than 3 times and was getting raped by Vic.

The stoppage was as controversial as JFK's assasination. That's nobody who was KO'd 7 times by cab drivers(except for HH) prior to his match with Vic.

Why was the stoppage controversial if the guy was getting mauled as you say? Vic was brutalizing him. The only thing that was controversial about that stoppage was that the ref let it go too long. And are you serious about that cab driver nonsense? Hussein Hussein was another guy who if he couldn't do anything else, he could punch. And Posuwan wasn't exactly a light hitter who also went 12 rounds with Montiel. Those were the two most recent guys to knock Catubay out and that was 3 years ago. Prior to that you have to go back 5 years to when he'd just started his career and was Fighting 5 anf 6 times a year. Catubay is actually a lot tougher than you think, despite that he was practically flopping around the ring.

I don't know how you could look at this and somehow think it means Vic can't hit:

YouTube - Vic Darchinyan vs Federico Catubay

Anyway, I would love to see him fight some more and we'll see about the "TRUE PUNCHING POWER" that you said he has.

If you don't see now, you're never going to. I can agree with many things about Vic that aren't so good. Chin? He's tough but he can be hurt, Gorres DID hurt him. Footwork? Non-existent. Defense? It's there but it's porous. But lack of single-shot power? No way. Again he's arguably the hardest puncher in the Sport.

P.S. - No puncher in History who ever had any credible names on his resume stopped EVERYONE.

 

[airic_15]

i bet i can hit harder then him alot of people could hit this hard if they throw all their weight and power into every shot, but the competition isnt to good at 115 (or whever he fights) and doesnt have to worry about gettin countered and getttin koed

 

[Sinister]

By the way, for anyone who is interested here's the Gorres Fight so you can see just how hard Vic doesn't hit as well. Sound quality sucks, but judge for yourself if you want.

YouTube - gorres vs darchinyan (full video)

i bet i can hit harder then him alot of people could hit this hard if they throw all their weight and power into every shot, but the competition isnt to good at 115 (or whever he fights) and doesnt have to worry about gettin countered and getttin koed

lol 115 and 118 are two of the best divisions out there right now. Not only are there good Fighters, but down in those weights they all actually Fight each other.

And yeah, you're a punching machine. You can stand there and wail on a Heavybag, but pulling it off against World Class Fighters is something else entirely.

 

[Henry Swanson]

Yeah, but some people act as if the hardest punchers shouldn't lose. Like Julian Jackson must not have been able to punch because Mike starched him and so did McClellan. Or Hamed couldn't punch suddenly because Barrera handed him his ass. Saddler must not have been able to punch because Pep beat him, etc.

These guys all have styles and if you can defeat their style and not get hit much, you can win or give them problems. But it doesn't mean they can't bang. Being the hardest current puncher is about all Vic's got going for him, but it's been enough to unify two divisions.

This post made me think of Razor Ruddock. I still remember when he decapitated Michael Dokes and you could almost see the look in his eyes after that fight as if he was thinking to himself "Holy shit, I CAN punch." But people still say, "He still lost to Tommy Morrison" as if that negates his power.

YouTube - Donovan Ruddock - Michael Dokes

Bonus Razor vs. Bonecrusher Smith. Fatigue was a factor for sure, but that was almost a straight jab he KO'd him with.

YouTube - 'Razor' Ruddock -vs- 'Bonecrusher' Smith (1989) rd 7

 

[airic_15]

my point was most boxers dont fight his style and at his weight beign really small theres not much of a chance to get knocked out unless your swinging like him so he can let loose without the fear of gettin knocked out unless the one rare punch connects perfectly like u said someone got lucky and knocked im out. Put it this way i bet 90% of the people his weight all stood and measured there hardest punch it would be close to the same except most boxers are taught not to fight throwing all there power into every shot

 

[Sinister]

That's an utterly ridiculous statement.

And Donaire didn't get lucky, he timed Vic perfectly. It was a conscious effort to land the left hook, and it worked.

 

[airic_15]

ah well i jus dont think its that impressive the way u do thats all

 

[Sinister]

Oh no you're exactly accurate.

You can probably hit harder than Darchinyan, Edwin Valero, Hell I bet even Pacquiao because you're physically bigger. That ALWAYS means you can hit harder.

Oh and of course, they can only hurt people because they're Fighting guys who are small and no good. Nevermind that they're of the same exact weights. Because the guys are little and there's no danger of being knocked out, only the smart ones figure out that they can just wade in winging bombs! When you have this figured out, you can knock out pretty much anyone considering that you'll always be of the same weight as your opponent, which means all you have to do is throw all your power into every shot.

That's perfectly excellent reasoning, and I look forward to your HL reel of knockouts to come, it should be a crushing display of punching power. Especially since you can hit harder than Vic.

 

[$uperman]

edit.

 

[mschatz]

my point was most boxers dont fight his style and at his weight beign really small theres not much of a chance to get knocked out unless your swinging like him so he can let loose without the fear of gettin knocked out unless the one rare punch connects perfectly like u said someone got lucky and knocked im out. Put it this way i bet 90% of the people his weight all stood and measured there hardest punch it would be close to the same except most boxers are taught not to fight throwing all there power into every shot

Excellent points here. Bravo!

 

[dza76wutang]

I don't watch alot of boxing because I don't understand the intricacies but WOW that was something.

Kind of reminds me of Ramon Dekkers in the little guy who hits like a truck thing. Although this guy is way smaller than Ramon.

 

[Payak]

this is not aimed at you mister sinister,it's aimed at some of the other pathetic comments.
I'm a light heavy known to have a granite chin,I have been rocked by guys his weight in the gym.
trust me if they tag you,your going to sleep.
a trained guy vics weight hits like an untrained middleweight.

 

[Rinksterk**]

i bet i can hit harder then him alot of people could hit this hard if they throw all their weight and power into every shot, but the competition isnt to good at 115 (or whever he fights) and doesnt have to worry about gettin countered and getttin koed

Oh really? Jesus christ and I thought white belts made bad posts.

 

[Sinister]

this is not aimed at you mister sinister,it's aimed at some of the other pathetic comments.
I'm a light heavy known to have a granite chin,I have been rocked by guys his weight in the gym.
trust me if they tag you,your going to sleep.
a trained guy vics weight hits like an untrained middleweight.

There's a kid who trains at Top Rank, he's a Bantamweight and is easily the second best Fighter in there despite his record. His name is Angel Magdaleno, I've sparred him and he can crack, as well as that he's blinding fast when he lets his hands go. Guys like him are always toughest to deal with, I'll take a Middleweight or LHW any day over a Lightweight or smaller who is really good. I've only seen Angel spar one guy his weight, and that guy was trained by Floyd Mayweather Sr. and had a long Amateur record. Angel beat the piss out of him, knocked him down at least twice. Now he's no longer allowed to spar guys his size.

The other baddest mufucka in our Gym is a Lightweight. Sharif Bogere, currently undefeated. On his first day they put him in with local bruiser Lonnie Smith Jr. just to see if Sharif could handle the heat. Lonnie ended up with two busted lips and his shirt covered in blood. Sharif's trained by McCallum, too, so I've also sparred him. Kid whooped my ass in a round, landed 3 liver shots.

 

[mrpopenfresh]

I'm suprised no one pulled out the busted sarcasm metre on that on Mr Sinister.

On a related not, my instructor is 135, but he has a left hook that crumples heavyweights.

 

[airic_15]

if i ever go proffesional i be sure to send u a vid of my "punching power" mr sinister