TRT for "old" strikers.

[1rawdog]

Testosterone levels increases with training so why not Up the training when you get older?

Because you don't seem to understand the overall effect of the training response, it's not the positive you have concluded it is. I can't even tell if you are trolling or not with these ignorant posts. It seems like the majority of the posts in this thread are from some very misinformed people or trolls. Half of the few intelligent posts in this thread are making fun of the dumb posts.

@method115 @kimocomplex Please don't let a number, age, determine your health needs, This particular decision should be based on symptoms and bloodwork.

@Frode Falch I'm with you, and firmly against the idea that you should just accept it because it's natural or god's will or whatever. How about diabetes? Thyroid disease? No one seems to ever have a problem with people taking meds for those. Do they think low T is the only medical issue that is natural or god's will?

In the case of low T part of the reason is because you are in decline, past your prime for producing healthy babies.
Yeah all these things happen for a reason, the main one is because you are fucking dying. I intend to fight that with the best tools available until the very end.

 

[Trabaho]

Because you don't seem to understand the overall effect of the training response, it's not the positive you have concluded it is. I can't even tell if you are trolling or not with these ignorant posts. It seems like the majority of the posts in this thread are from some very misinformed people or trolls. Half of the few intelligent posts in this thread are making fun of the dumb posts.

@method115 @kimocomplex Please don't let a number, age, determine your health needs, This particular decision should be based on symptoms and bloodwork.

@Frode Falch I'm with you, and firmly against the idea that you should just accept it because it's natural or god's will or whatever. How about diabetes? Thyroid disease? No one seems to ever have a problem with people taking meds for those. Do they think low T is the only medical issue that is natural or god's will?

In the case of low T part of the reason is because you are in decline, past your prime for producing healthy babies.
Yeah all these things happen for a reason, the main one is because you are fucking dying. I intend to fight that with the best tools available until the very end.

wait since when does Frode have low test levels ?

Medicine starts getting labeled a drug when you use it without having the disease. Like low testosterone. There are numbers as to what is low testosterone at what age.

Frode looks athletic, I don´t think his levels are low. There are just not on the level of a pro athlete in his prime. I mean Frode is like 45 or something.

 

[Trabaho]

@Frode Falch what are your non supplemented test levels if I may ask ?

I´m intrigued to test mine too.

 

[1rawdog]

wait since when does Frode have low test levels ?

Medicine starts getting labeled a drug when you use it without having the disease. Like low testosterone. There are numbers as to what is low testosterone at what age.

Frode looks athletic, I don´t think his levels are low. There are just not on the level of a pro athlete in his prime. I mean Frode is like 45 or something.

why are you asking me?

 

[Trabaho]

why are you asking me?

"@Frode Falch I I'm with you, and firmly against the idea that you should just accept it because it's natural or god's will or whatever. How about diabetes? Thyroid disease? No one seems to ever have a problem with people taking meds for those. Do they think low T is the only medical issue that is natural or god's will?"


I don´t think Frode got any low test problems. I think he wants to use it recreationaly aka for fun.

 

[1rawdog]

"@Frode Falch I I'm with you, and firmly against the idea that you should just accept it because it's natural or god's will or whatever. How about diabetes? Thyroid disease? No one seems to ever have a problem with people taking meds for those. Do they think low T is the only medical issue that is natural or god's will?"


I don´t think Frode got any low test problems. I think he wants to use it recreationaly aka for fun.

I guess especially with english not being your first language I can understand how you may have interpreted that but I never said he had "low" test levels. However "low" is subjective, it would seem that he wants his higher than he naturally has at this point, lower than they have been previously. I said earlier in that same post that TRT should be based on symptoms as well as bloodwork.
I know men that are perfectly happy and healthy with levels below 400ng/dl and others who feel like death is upon them if they are not up near 900. Nevermind the health risks associated with "low" T.

You are at least partially correct if your view is that to push over your natural level at the time should not be classified as true Testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. But my personal view is that anything that brings you up to your best before it started to decline qualifies. You are REPLACING what you lost. In his case he is a fighter he may have lost a bunch due to head trauma, I don't see the problem with fixing something that's broken. I also don't think we need to judge from the outside how another man feels as we are not in their boots so to speak.

 

[Intermission]

Because you don't seem to understand the overall effect of the training response, it's not the positive you have concluded it is. I can't even tell if you are trolling or not with these ignorant posts. It seems like the majority of the posts in this thread are from some very misinformed people or trolls. Half of the few intelligent posts in this thread are making fun of the dumb posts.

@method115 @kimocomplex Please don't let a number, age, determine your health needs, This particular decision should be based on symptoms and bloodwork.

@Frode Falch I'm with you, and firmly against the idea that you should just accept it because it's natural or god's will or whatever. How about diabetes? Thyroid disease? No one seems to ever have a problem with people taking meds for those. Do they think low T is the only medical issue that is natural or god's will?

In the case of low T part of the reason is because you are in decline, past your prime for producing healthy babies.
Yeah all these things happen for a reason, the main one is because you are fucking dying. I intend to fight that with the best tools available until the very end.

I can feel and see the effects myself. Its not something I need to quote studies from. But I have done so too

 

[Intermission]

I guess especially with english not being your first language I can understand how you may have interpreted that but I never said he had "low" test levels. However "low" is subjective, it would seem that he wants his higher than he naturally has at this point, lower than they have been previously. I said earlier in that same post that TRT should be based on symptoms as well as bloodwork.
I know men that are perfectly happy and healthy with levels below 400ng/dl and others who feel like death is upon them if they are not up near 900. Nevermind the health risks associated with "low" T.

You are at least partially correct if your view is that to push over your natural level at the time should not be classified as true Testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. But my personal view is that anything that brings you up to your best before it started to decline qualifies. You are REPLACING what you lost. In his case he is a fighter he may have lost a bunch due to head trauma, I don't see the problem with fixing something that's broken. I also don't think we need to judge from the outside how another man feels as we are not in their boots so to speak.

He replaces but also puts his body to huge risks. And his natural testosterone will be fucked up

 

[1rawdog]

I can feel and see the effects myself. Its not something I need to quote studies from. But I have done so too

I don't think you know what you are feeling if you are trying to say that you can feel a higher T level but that's just my opinion. If you have can cite any well done studies that show a significant overall higher T level I would certainly be interested in seeing them though.

 

[Intermission]

I don't think you know what you are feeling if you are trying to say that you can feel a higher T level but that's just my opinion. If you have can cite any well done studies that show a significant overall higher T level I would certainly be interested in seeing them though.

In conclusion, the data presented here indicate that strength training can induce growth hormone and testosterone release, regardless of age, but that the elderly response does not equal that of the young.

Effects of progressive resistance training on growth hormone and testosterone levels in young and elderly subjects - PubMed

We observed the response of serum growth hormone (GH) and testosterone (T) to a progressive resistance strength training program. Basal levels (after a 12-h fast) of GH and T were measured in young (23 years) and elderly (63 years) subjects before and after a 12-week training program. The...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[1rawdog]

He replaces but also puts his body to huge risks. And his natural testosterone will be fucked up

Huge risk at 180mg per week? Please go on. I'd love to learn something new today but I'm guessing your definition of huge is different than mine.

 

[1rawdog]

@Intermission It won't catch what you posted because of the way you placed it ...

I'm honestly trying to be nice here. I am very familiar with that study and many others on the subject. I have read that entire study, not just the abstract. You need to learn how to read and interpret studies but in this case the pertinent info is in this abstract;

"These differences represented significant increases (P less than 0.05) but did not demonstrate pre- to post-changes. Basal levels of T decreased in both groups, but were not significant. "

The increases were transient, iirc (it was 35 years ago) if you crunch the numbers in the end the overall effect was negative on T and a virtual wash on GH.
This study was about the differences between young and old.

What I said was "you don't seem to understand the overall effect of the training response, it's not the positive you have concluded it is"

 

[Trabaho]

I guess especially with english not being your first language I can understand how you may have interpreted that but I never said he had "low" test levels. However "low" is subjective, it would seem that he wants his higher than he naturally has at this point, lower than they have been previously. I said earlier in that same post that TRT should be based on symptoms as well as bloodwork.
I know men that are perfectly happy and healthy with levels below 400ng/dl and others who feel like death is upon them if they are not up near 900. Nevermind the health risks associated with "low" T.

You are at least partially correct if your view is that to push over your natural level at the time should not be classified as true Testosterone REPLACEMENT Therapy. But my personal view is that anything that brings you up to your best before it started to decline qualifies. You are REPLACING what you lost. In his case he is a fighter he may have lost a bunch due to head trauma, I don't see the problem with fixing something that's broken. I also don't think we need to judge from the outside how another man feels as we are not in their boots so to speak.

Got you. I meant to point out that it´s not classic medicine like pills against diabetes cause Frode probably doesn´t have clinically low test levels. Cause you said how is other medication alright. I guess my wording might´ve been unusual. I didn´t say you called Frode low t. Also diabetes is majorly a diet issue more than pills.

 

[Slothbroth]

 

[Boomb]

Enlarging breasts. Limiting sperm production or causing testicles to shrink. Stimulating too much red blood cell production, which contributes to the increased risk of forming a blood clot. A clot could break loose, travel through your bloodstream and lodge in your lungs, blocking blood flow (pulmonary embolism).

No thank you.

Goodluck sherbro.

 

[Frode Falch]

Nerd Party going strong i see

 

[Trabaho]

Nerd Party going strong i see

Cossplaying a bad ass

 

[maximus__]

So my guy you gonna syringe your ass for the rest of your life ? Is your lady gonna put the needle into your skin ?

We got a junky over here

Edit : apology for the low blow wording. I´m talking to a scandinav, gotta be on his level with manners.

I watched you hit a vape in the last Deadlift video you put up. I personally wouldn't use TRT, but atleast in theory it's an actual prescribed therapy as opposed to nicotine which is just a drug.

While nicotine is mainly associated with the harmful effects of smoking, it can also offer certain benefits. These include:

• Increased levels of alertness, euphoria and relaxation
• Improved concentration and memory — due to increased activity of the acetylcholine and norepinephrine neurotransmitters
• Reduced anxiety — due to increased levels of beta-endorphin, which reduces anxiety

Nicotine: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly | Echelon Health

Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical found in tobacco that affects the body in many different ways. Discover its history and how it works here.

www.echelon.health

 

[Trabaho]

I watched you hit a vape in the last Deadlift video you put up. I personally wouldn't use TRT, but atleast in theory it's an actual prescribed therapy as opposed to nicotine which is just a drug.

While nicotine is mainly associated with the harmful effects of smoking, it can also offer certain benefits. These include:

• Increased levels of alertness, euphoria and relaxation
• Improved concentration and memory — due to increased activity of the acetylcholine and norepinephrine neurotransmitters
• Reduced anxiety — due to increased levels of beta-endorphin, which reduces anxiety

Nicotine: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly | Echelon Health

Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical found in tobacco that affects the body in many different ways. Discover its history and how it works here.

www.echelon.health

PED = Performance enchasing drugs. Frode is looking to become a drug addict.

The vape is 0.3% nicotine, tomorrow my liquids are finished by afternoon. I barely smoked today. Didn´t change my coil for 2-3 weeks, it tastes toxic. Cause I am stopping. Didn´t smoke nicotine for the first 30 years of my life.

Nicotine is a addictive and harmfull drug. It does not destroy your natural testicular hormone produciton like roid heads.


He isn´t getting it for medical therapy. He doesn´t have sub normal testosterone levels. He is looking to juice. In his head he is a UFC fighter. Just without the fight success. But looking to do sterodis like them.

I like Frode so I tell him in hopes he hurts himself with emotions and not hormones which will cripple him phisically.

 

[Trabaho]

Dude I been on medication since I was 21, first time at 18. I had multiple bouts of psychosis. I been addicted to nicotine for 7- 8 years, 4 years on weed. I got shit face drunk like every european on multiple occasions, never been an alcoholic. I lost consciousness from alcohol once at age 16. I seen countless drug addicts with flesh wounds round town. I literaly once hung out with a crack junky who smoked crack in front of me for 3 hours to ask him questions. I had friends snorting cocaine in front of me. I was a big time pot head, all my friends were smoking weed and hash. I saw how people became junkys and disapeared. Drugs are destructive. They all got the principle of joy / high, tolerance, addiction, withdrawl. Side effects. It´s all the same.