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grdstorm11 said:
What the hell are you talking about?

Esai Maeda and Mitsuyo Maeda are the same person. Maeda who was a member of Jigoro Kano's Kodokan taught Carlos Gracie and his brothers. Carlos then taught his younger brother Helio (although Helio's story is that he watched for a long period of time and then miraculously became a JJ master out of thin air).

Carlson is Carlos's son, one of his elder children.

Moises is a black belt under a Carlson Gracie Black Belt. I believe somewhere they cite some influence from the Ono brothers.

There is no debate that there were other outside influences for BJJ such as Fadda, Oswaldo Alves, and that other judoka who's name escapes me (French Judoka from Rio that had Behring and Rickson Gracie as students once). However 95% of the BJJ in Brazil and 99% of the BJJ that is taught and proliferates around the world is because of the GRACIES.

No matter how you want to spin things, the majority of the art which is 99% all came from the Gracies (of course it is originally Judo/Jiu Jitsu blah blah blah).

Lotus Club is no different. They are the run of the mill small/mid size club like most others such as 99 (Telles), Barbosa JJ, Cia Paulista, Godoi, etc. They are all BJJ/GJJ from the gracies in some fashion or form.
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This guy?

Academia Mehdi Judô
 
Title Fight Productions said:
Im having trouble understanding what it is that i wrote that you disagree with? Maeda taught Carlson who taught his brothers who then tweaked it into Gracie JJ. What part of that are we in disagreement about? I am simply saying i was trying to figure out just exactly what the Lotus club was, if it was Gracie JJ or Brazilian JJ or Japanese JJ. I am of the understanding that Maeda was a descendant of the Lotus Clan of Samurai.

I guess the real question is what did Maeda do after he taught Carlson? Just stop studying the art, stop teaching? or did he (the master) the become a student of Carlson or his brothers (the students)? or did he continue to teach the art form that the Gracies later tweaked?

And you could have less of an attitude.:icon_neut No one in here is arguing or being rude, just trying to figure stuff out and have a fun discussion about the lineage of JJ/Judo.
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I apologize if I am being rude however I really hate misinformation on the internet. It breeds stupid people who read this stuff and take it for actual knowledge/history.

Carlos NOT Carlson, Carlson is one of Carlos Sr.'s elder sons. Please read more carefully.

I have no idea where this idea of Maeda being of the "Lotus Clan" of samurai. He was a student of the Kodokan and one of the representatives sent out throughout the world to introduce Judo on an international level.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Gracie Jiu Jitsu is synonymous. You can theorize all you want about hidden masters taught my Maeda however the Gracie's had a profound affect on "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu." Of course a long the way, some people with different backgrounds may had added their touch to the sport however 99% of the BJJ found out there came from the Gracies.

Lotus Club BJJ = Gracie Jiu Jitsu/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
 
Sounds pretty solid to me. If you like the people, the atmosphere, the technique being taught, and see it as a place you won't have to force yourself to go to then that is all that really matters.
 
rocknroll1984 said:
the one in queens? if so please do not train there. go into the city and train at alliance or shaolin's. i train with shaolin it's on 47th and 8th, it's by far the best bjj instruction i have ever received. i also hear great things about alliance.
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:icon_arro QFT!!!!
 
grdstorm11 said:
I apologize if I am being rude however I really hate misinformation on the internet. It breeds stupid people who read this stuff and take it for actual knowledge/history.

Carlos NOT Carlson, Carlson is one of Carlos Sr.'s elder sons. Please read more carefully.

I have no idea where this idea of Maeda being of the "Lotus Clan" of samurai. He was a student of the Kodokan and one of the representatives sent out throughout the world to introduce Judo on an international level.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Gracie Jiu Jitsu is synonymous. You can theorize all you want about hidden masters taught my Maeda however the Gracie's had a profound affect on "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu." Of course a long the way, some people with different backgrounds may had added their touch to the sport however 99% of the BJJ found out there came from the Gracies.

Lotus Club BJJ = Gracie Jiu Jitsu/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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Yeah, i think you are just misunderstanding what im trying to get at or i am not explaining it well enough. I know Who Maeda was and who taught him. Im not saying in anyway shape or form that he was also taught my some mystic samuai. Im just theorising on where Lotus club BJJ came from. And i still don't think that Lotus BJJ has a lineage in GJJ. I may be wrong, but why is it such an offense to you to acknowledge that Gracie JJ isn't the only JJ in Brazil?
 
Title Fight Productions said:
Yeah, i think you are just misunderstanding what im trying to get at or i am not explaining it well enough. I know Who Maeda was and who taught him. Im not saying in anyway shape or form that he was also taught my some mystic samuai. Im just theorising on where Lotus club BJJ came from. And i still don't think that Lotus BJJ has a lineage in GJJ. I may be wrong, but why is it such an offense to you to acknowledge that Gracie JJ isn't the only JJ in Brazil?
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I completely understand your posts. I don't understand why you cannot comprehend what I am saying.

Lotus Club's founder, Moises Muradi is a black belt under a Carlson Black Belt. Carlson is Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Does that make sense?

I know first hand from training at a Lotus Club school. Is that proof enough?

A good friend of mine was a Mundial Champ at purple belt from Lotus Club.

How can you speculate about the lineage of Lotus Club when I am telling you flat out DIRECTLY from the source that Lotus Club BJJ = Gracie Jiu Jitsu??????


Gracie JJ is not the only JJ in Brazil however what we know as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which is the IBJJF point system, IBJJF tournaments, Naga Gi tournaments, GQ Gi tournaments, the CBJJE (which is Moises's federation), the defunct CBJJO, US Open, and every major Gi tournament is directly from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/GRACIE JIU JITSU.


BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU = GRACIE JIU JITSU.


And lets make no mistake, I am not at all pro-Gracie. I am giving credit where credit is due. Without the Gracies, there would be no Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. PERIOD.
 
what does the lineage have to do with him going to the school or not who cares if they have an affilation with the gracies or not, all that matters is if the school is good or not and the instructer/lever of jiu jitsu at the school. it sounds alright from what you said. thats about what most jiu jitsu classes consist of, a warm up some tecqunique, or drilling tequnique, sparring (usally longer than 3 minute rounds though), and stretching. i live in queens myself but have never visited that school. however, my friend that goes to henzo's who lives closer to that school went there and watched a class and watched them roll and he told me that they weren't that good, but i never went there myself. i personally go to nybjj on 34th in between 5th and 6th (1 block away from the empire state building) and i feel like we have a pretty high level of jiu jitsu there. come by and you can try a free class Welcome to NYBJJ.com | nybjj.com | New, York, Brazilian, Arts
 
grdstorm11 said:
I completely understand your posts. I don't understand why you cannot comprehend what I am saying.

Lotus Club's founder, Moises Muradi is a black belt under a Carlson Black Belt. Carlson is Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Does that make sense?

I know first hand from training at a Lotus Club school. Is that proof enough?

A good friend of mine was a Mundial Champ at purple belt from Lotus Club.

How can you speculate about the lineage of Lotus Club when I am telling you flat out DIRECTLY from the source that Lotus Club BJJ = Gracie Jiu Jitsu??????


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Thanks for the info! This clears it up, why did you not just say this in the first place?
 
For you guys in NYC, I made a community/social group under the community tab. Maybe we can get together have a beer, swap info and review gyms in the NYC area.
 
Vector_X said:
Sounds pretty solid to me. If you like the people, the atmosphere, the technique being taught, and see it as a place you won't have to force yourself to go to then that is all that really matters.
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thats probably the best advice on the page for you right there. i mean do you want a history class or do you want to train. who someone's affilated with doesn't mean that it's quality jiu jitsu. yeah the gracies won't let just anyone start a school with there name. but its really all about if you like the school, the proffesor, and the people, and if you feel like if your getting your moneys worth. when i first started training in jiu jitsu i heard my trainer say that he was rigan machado's main representative here on the east coast, and i didnt know who the hell that guy was, and i didnt really care, or ask. i liked the training i got there, my professor, and the people and i feel that we have a pretty high level of jiu jitsu so i was happy and thats been enough for me to stay there.

(btw now i know who that is and the signifigance of it, i found out when he came here to new york to give me my blue belt and i looked up who he was afterward and now i feel bad that i was skeptical about paying for his seminar, which was awesome by the way.)
 
I agree, the important thing is if you enjoy where you train.

its not always about which school is the best, since you might not even go to classes there even if they are the best but much rather attend class in a smaller more family atmosphere.

However at a certain point you will want to train with top guys and not stagnate your game. Until that day come, just enjoy where you are at.
 
I have trained in the city at just about every major school. I have to say that instruction is the most important thing. Not just being able to show technique but actually guiding the student and making sure everyone does the techniques well. Most instructors I have seen don't take the time to point out individual mistakes that people make. If you spend money to learn, make sure you actually learn. And if you live in Queens, check out this place http:/?RDCC - RED DAWN COMBAT CLUB LEONARDO XAVIER BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU ASSOCIATION. They are an affiliate of Leonardo Xavier Jiu Jitsu Association which is part of Gracie Humaita.
 
not to knock the guy but... isnt he a blue belt? also his instructor is 1000 miles away...
 
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