tried lotus bjj nyc

[Rheedanny]

hey guys
just tried a class at lotus brailian jiu jitsu in queens ny
i went to the no-gi class

gotta say it was prettty good
although it was my first class ever
we started with a few stretches and then warmups
then he showed a technique, and we practiced it
then he did a little more from the same technique and we practiced
and repeat
then rolling switching partners every like 3 minutes or so


i like it but i am wondering if this is a good class based on all of your opinions

is this how most places go?
what do you guys think?

thanks a lot

 

[Title Fight Productions]

If im not mistaked, Lotus is the branch from Brazil that was taught by the original guy who taught the Gracies. Meaning there were like 4 or 5 original students and a couple were not named Gracie and the non Gracie lineage stayed more true to the original form.

I hear it is pretty good and that they continued to evolve nicely.

 

[nmilford]

hey guys
i like it but i am wondering if this is a good class based on all of your opinions

Sounds normal. Good luck at Lotus, keep going

 

[nmilford]

If im not mistaked, Lotus is the branch from Brazil that was taught by the original guy who taught the Gracies. Meaning there were like 4 or 5 original students and a couple were not named Gracie and the non Gracie lineage stayed more true to the original form.

I hear it is pretty good and that they continued to evolve nicely.

That sounds suspect.

My understanding is that the Gracie family were taught, by Mitsuyo Maeda, a form of jujutsu/judo informed by his travels outside of Japan when he emigrated to Brazil

They refined it in the 20's and Helio specifically refined it to fit his frail body-type. I believe the BJJ we know today is really the result the next generation of Gracie's (Rickson, Rolls, Royler, you know the R's) refining it further.

If what you say is true, they learned from Maeda and passed it down and refined it in abstract of the Gracie family.

Their website Aboutus says their leader is a 6th level Black Belt. It looks like they are just a proliferate group of affiliations and I am assuming their master got his stripes from a Gracie.

But, I am willing to concede that I could be mistaken and my brief cobbling of what I believe the history of BJJ might omit large parts and also be entirely inaccurate.

 

[nmilford]

Well, it seems I could be incorrect.

This site Jiu states:

According to Moises Muradi, a fighter named Miura arrived here in Brazil from Japan in 1903 and began teaching his art to his fellow Japanese and to Brazilians. Moises Muradi said that in 1908 Japanese colonists arrived in the port of Santos on the ship "Kasato Maru" and began to give jiu-jitsu classes.

It would seem to me that other students of Maeda (Fadda?), and people who claim lineage from Miura (if he exists) would have ultimately shared many techniques and finally merged into the mainstream brazilian (gracie?) jiu jitsu culture we know today.

tThis thread seems relevent: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/o...es-jiu-jitsu-de-brasileiro-673129/index5.html

It stands to reason other people at the time would have been doing similar things, but maybe the Gracie's were better marketers, if not better fighters... of course the winners write the history, right?

 

[grdstorm11]

Moises's lineage is through Carlson Gracie. He is a BB of a Carlson BB, can't remember who. Along the lineage there are the Ono Brothers who supposedly were also Judoka that passed through Brazil and taught some of their art.

For all intents and purposes, Lotus BJJ is BJJ like everyone else. There is not mysticism involved there.

Fabricio Medici is an excellent instructor and coach.

Check out some other schools before you commit to one.

 

[rocknroll1984]

the one in queens? if so please do not train there. go into the city and train at alliance or shaolin's. i train with shaolin it's on 47th and 8th, it's by far the best bjj instruction i have ever received. i also hear great things about alliance. i trained at lotus for a little over a month and it is just not the best in town.also if you want to stay in queens go to steinway and 34th and check out combined martial arts. they only have no gi, but the instructors are great. they also have boxing and muay thai if you want.

 

[FinanceFrank]

hmm, so what's the general consensus of BJJ places in NYC?

I plan on moving to hoboken/jersey city in the near future, and taking the PATH in for BJJ seems like the best option rather than finding one in jerz.

Shaolin's & Alliance are one's I should check out, based on this thread and the other NYC BJJ thread.

How about Renzo's? By the time I make this move i'll only have 7-8 months of BJJ experience under my belt, is that taylored for more advanced BJJ guys?

My current instructor is one of Renzo's black belts...part of me wants to go there to be tought by more of Renzo's top guys.

Part of me wants opinions from you guys.

The majority of me knows that the best way to find a gym for me in NYC is to do the obvious....just stop by!

 

[assasinationday]

we started with a few stretches and then warmups
then he showed a technique, and we practiced it
then he did a little more from the same technique and we practiced
and repeat
then rolling switching partners every like 3 minutes or so

Yeah, that's a BJJ class for you.

As long as your instructors/students are insightful and helpful, you're fine.

 

[assasinationday]

I plan on moving to hoboken/jersey city in the near future, and taking the PATH in for BJJ seems like the best option rather than finding one in jerz.

I'm from Jersey...there are a lot of RGDA (Royler Gracie/David Adiv) schools in Jersey. In fact, near Hoboken/JC there's the Fairlawn school. I think a few others.

My brother in law wanted to joing Renzo's school. Tuition is VERY expensive. It's pretty much a car payment. If you can afford that, awesome...go for it, Renzo is awesome.

Again though, Jersey is less expensive and RGDA schools are quality. David Adiv is right here in Lebanon, NJ.

 

[FinanceFrank]

thanks, but those places are, well, farther than the NYC places. A) I might not have a car, B) I'm looking to move close to a path station, so i'm a 10min ride in from Hobo to Penn Station. A place in NYC is definitely what i'm looking for

 

[Title Fight Productions]

It stands to reason other people at the time would have been doing similar things, but maybe the Gracie's were better marketers, if not better fighters... of course the winners write the history, right?

You would be correct.

The Gracie's were not the only ones doing Jiu-Jitsu in the world during the 1900's, and certainly not the only one's doing Jiu-Jitsu in Brazil, they were just the most popular. Early members of the Gracie family in Brazil were political figures and very involved in the community where they lived. Among Helio's first students were Governor of Rio, Carlos Lacerda, and President, Joao Figueiredo

Here is some more.

While in Brazil, I learned about a Grand Master named "Fadda," who learned Jiu-Jitsu from a man named Luis Franca. Like Carlos Gracie, Franca also learned Jiu-Jitsu (Judo) from Meada. Fadda took the Jiu-Jitsu he learned from Franca and started his own school of Jiu-Jitsu in Brazil. His popularity is not as great as the Gracie family, but nonetheless, he is an example of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu being refined and practiced outside the Gracie family. His students compete in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournaments and consider their art separate from both Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and the older styles of Jiu-Jitsu in Japan. This stands as evidence that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is not the same thing.

 

[Title Fight Productions]

An interesting read!

Jiu-jitsu History

 

[Ranger]

http://www.mmafacts.com/main.cfm?ac...nKey=cmpContactLegislatorStart&s=MMA&adid=528

 

[Title Fight Productions]

I have been doing a little research and although its hazy, i believe that Esai Maeda the Judoka and Jiu-Jitsu champion that originally taught Carlson was from the Lotus Clan. And that this is the lineage of Lotus JJ.

If anyone else has some info on this it would be great.

 

[grdstorm11]

I have been doing a little research and although its hazy, i believe that Esai Maeda the Judoka and Jiu-Jitsu champion that originally taught Carlson was from the Lotus Clan. And that this is the lineage of Lotus JJ.

If anyone else has some info on this it would be great.

What the hell are you talking about?

Esai Maeda and Mitsuyo Maeda are the same person. Maeda who was a member of Jigoro Kano's Kodokan taught Carlos Gracie and his brothers. Carlos then taught his younger brother Helio (although Helio's story is that he watched for a long period of time and then miraculously became a JJ master out of thin air).

Carlson is Carlos's son, one of his elder children.

Moises is a black belt under a Carlson Gracie Black Belt. I believe somewhere they cite some influence from the Ono brothers.

There is no debate that there were other outside influences for BJJ such as Fadda, Oswaldo Alves, and that other judoka who's name escapes me (French Judoka from Rio that had Behring and Rickson Gracie as students once). However 95% of the BJJ in Brazil and 99% of the BJJ that is taught and proliferates around the world is because of the GRACIES.

No matter how you want to spin things, the majority of the art which is 99% all came from the Gracies (of course it is originally Judo/Jiu Jitsu blah blah blah).

Lotus Club is no different. They are the run of the mill small/mid size club like most others such as 99 (Telles), Barbosa JJ, Cia Paulista, Godoi, etc. They are all BJJ/GJJ from the gracies in some fashion or form.

 

[vicodin]

The Lotus students are pretty solid from what I've seen of them at tournies..FYI Eduardo Santos is a good friend of Cobrinha.

 

[Title Fight Productions]

What the hell are you talking about?

Esai Maeda and Mitsuyo Maeda are the same person. Maeda who was a member of Jigoro Kano's Kodokan taught Carlos Gracie and his brothers. Carlos then taught his younger brother Helio (although Helio's story is that he watched for a long period of time and then miraculously became a JJ master out of thin air).

Carlson is Carlos's son, one of his elder children.

Moises is a black belt under a Carlson Gracie Black Belt. I believe somewhere they cite some influence from the Ono brothers.

There is no debate that there were other outside influences for BJJ such as Fadda, Oswaldo Alves, and that other judoka who's name escapes me (French Judoka from Rio that had Behring and Rickson Gracie as students once). However 95% of the BJJ in Brazil and 99% of the BJJ that is taught and proliferates around the world is because of the GRACIES.

No matter how you want to spin things, the majority of the art which is 99% all came from the Gracies (of course it is originally Judo/Jiu Jitsu blah blah blah).

Lotus Club is no different. They are the run of the mill small/mid size club like most others such as 99 (Telles), Barbosa JJ, Cia Paulista, Godoi, etc. They are all BJJ/GJJ from the gracies in some fashion or form.

Im having trouble understanding what it is that i wrote that you disagree with? Maeda taught Carlson who taught his brothers who then tweaked it into Gracie JJ. What part of that are we in disagreement about? I am simply saying i was trying to figure out just exactly what the Lotus club was, if it was Gracie JJ or Brazilian JJ or Japanese JJ. I am of the understanding that Maeda was a descendant of the Lotus Clan of Samurai.

I guess the real question is what did Maeda do after he taught Carlson? Just stop studying the art, stop teaching? or did he (the master) the become a student of Carlson or his brothers (the students)? or did he continue to teach the art form that the Gracies later tweaked?

And you could have less of an attitude.:icon_neut No one in here is arguing or being rude, just trying to figure stuff out and have a fun discussion about the lineage of JJ/Judo.

 

[Samurai Jack]

Im having trouble understanding what it is that i wrote that you disagree with? Maeda taught Carlson who taught his brothers who then tweaked it into Gracie JJ.

Carlos, not Carlson.

 

[GZUS]

i had the opportunity to train with Raul Vieira a BB under moises. he is also the head instuctor of lotus now. he is a really good instructor and i am privileged to have him as a friend. lotus is a very family oriented club and has good atmosphere. i recommend training with thier club.