Crime Trial starts in Minn home defense case

[Torami]

http://gma.yahoo.com/minnesota-man-...ered-home-131438361--abc-news-topstories.html

Old dude sounds crazy from his testimony, but will the murder charge actually stick. Interesting how they saying it was a premeditated killing.

 

[method115]

My friend told me about this today and I watched a new story on it. Sounds like crap to me I don't care how crazy the guys sounds he was in his home. He's supposed to just let people break in and do whatever they want cause we don't think he's normal?

This whole situation could have been avoided if the kids would have stayed out of his house. I don't understand how he would know the kids were coming to his house to rob him At best he was extremely paranoid and lonely and could do things like sit in a basement waiting to be robbed again (heard he was robbed once already).

 

[Torami]

My friend told me about this today and I watched a new story on it. Sounds like crap to me I don't care how crazy the guys sounds he was in his home. He's supposed to just let people break in and do whatever they want cause we don't think he's normal?

This whole situation could have been avoided if the kids would have stayed out of his house. I don't understand how he would know the kids were coming to his house to rob him At best he was extremely paranoid and lonely and could do things like sit in a basement waiting to be robbed again (heard he was robbed once already).

I agree, unless he maybe overheard that they were gonna break in but still. The other questionable parts being his head shots and waiting a day to report it. Will be interesting to see how it turns out.

 

[oldshadow]

The guy fired shots after the criminals presented no further danger and it was caught on audio tape.

He was justified in the first shot on each of them but after that he was not.

He sounds bat shit crazy and it would seem needs to go to jail.

And he opened his mouth to the cops so he was screwed all the way around.

 

[Killswitch91]

A guy can't defend his home, but a cop can empty a magazine into you and claim they were threatened.

Fucking lol.

 

[Poatan Power]

The guy fired shots after the criminals presented no further danger and it was caught on audio tape.

He was justified in the first shot on each of them but after that he was not.

He sounds bat shit crazy and it would seem needs to go to jail.

And he opened his mouth to the cops so he was screwed all the way around.

He shouldn't have opened his mouth, but I have no clue why shooting them multiple times is "bad." You shoot to kill... I don't get why he was obligated to only shoot once and make sure they live. They were in his god damn house.

A guy can't defend his home, but a cop can empty a magazine into you and claim they were threatened.

Fucking lol.

Exactly.

 

[ben236]

The guy fired shots after the criminals presented no further danger and it was caught on audio tape.

He was justified in the first shot on each of them but after that he was not.

He sounds bat shit crazy and it would seem needs to go to jail.

And he opened his mouth to the cops so he was screwed all the way around.

Pretty much this.

You have the right to use lethal force in your house to protect yourself. But you can't just execute an intruder after you have already incapacitated him and he's no longer a threat.

 

[oldshadow]

He shouldn't have opened his mouth, but I have no clue why shooting them multiple times is "bad." You shoot to kill... I don't get why he was obligated to only shoot once and make sure they live. They were in his god damn house.


Exactly.

Once they are no longer a threat as in laying on the floor bleeding out you can't finish them off because they broke into your home.

He was justified in shooting and could have even shot more then once as long as they were still a threat but you can't just finish them off because you are pissed.

 

[ben236]

He shouldn't have opened his mouth, but I have no clue why shooting them multiple times is "bad." You shoot to kill... I don't get why he was obligated to only shoot once and make sure they live. They were in his god damn house.

You make it sound like he got arrested because he double tapped. Here's another article explaining what happened...

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25308614/byron-smith-trial-audio-of-shootings-evokes-emotion

The audio recording from inside the Little Falls, Minn. house of Byron Smith is chilling.

You hear a window shatter, then a couple of extra pieces of glass are broken out. You can hear footsteps in the house -- 17-year-old Nick Brady is inside.

Boom.

Brady is hit. He lets out a groan as he tumbles down the stairs.

Another boom -- quick, fast and lethal.

 

[ruthless robert]

http://gma.yahoo.com/minnesota-man-...ered-home-131438361--abc-news-topstories.html

Old dude sounds crazy from his testimony, but will the murder charge actually stick. Interesting how they saying it was a premeditated killing.

the teens dying is sad

the old man is more than likely crazy

but no matter the circumstance of how crazy the home owner is and how innocent looking the home invaders look, the reality of it is if you break into a home then prepare to die....

we cannot mask home invasions with kids who look like preppy prom king and queens just out messing around..... we cant mix that with real bad people who are evil, murders, rapist, child predators, etc. etc. we must be able to defend our home and land with deadly force....

maybe kids who think its all fun and games to break into homes could attend a funeral or two so they realize what happens when you do the same acts as murders, rapist, child predators, etc. etc.

as far as this case though the main problem i see is the old man waited a day before calling 911. he should have done that right after shooting the intruders. he should have also been more aware of his intruders. from the sounds of it someone could say he wounded and then executed them. i dont know if that really happened, if it was a low light situation, if it happened really fast or what.

if he did execute the intruders then something needs to be done here because i dont think thats morally right..... however, you should never break into a home and not be prepared to die.


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[Torami]

if he did execute the intruders then something needs to be done here because i dont think thats morally right..... however, you should never break into a home and not be prepared to die.

Thats what the prosecution is trying to get him on. The kid was down after two shots, then he walked up on him and ended it with a shot to his face, and I agree on the last part.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

He should have called the cops, held the girl at gunpoint and kept his mouth shut after he shot the first guy.

 

[ruthless robert]

Thats what the prosecution is trying to get him on. The kid was down after two shots, then he walked up on him and ended it with a shot to his face, and I agree on the last part.

I don't know man, I'm up in the air on this one after thinking about it.....

DAY 1: IN HIS OWN WORDS
On Monday, jurors also got the chance to listen to Smith explain, in his own words, how he killed the two teenage intruders.

Although his attorney has not decided whether Smith will take the stand, audio recordings of his police interrogation were played in court on Monday. Smith could be heard speaking in a very matter-of-fact tone with officers as he told them he was terrified inside his Little Falls home after a rash of burglaries and thefts.

"These are people who have stolen my guns," he said. "I have a choice of being the shooter or getting shot."

When asked why he kept firing after Brady and Kifer were disabled, Smith said, "Even if I kill someone, I don't want them to suffer." He further compared the killings to hunting deer.

As the recording played, Smith made his first visible display of emotion, dabbing at tears in his eyes.

Read more: BYRON SMITH TRIAL: Chilling audio of Little Falls shootings - KMSP-TV http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...dio-of-shootings-evokes-emotion#ixzz2zeeajMlp




My issue here is the man had his house broken into numerous times.... I've never had my house broken into thank God, but I'm trying to imagine what it would be like if my house had been broken into numerous times with things of mine stolen including guns.....

I would probably not feel safe since the police hasn't been able to stop it. I probably wouldn't feel safe knowing that whoever broke in and stole my guns since they didn't get caught they might wanna do it again so im gonna assume the worst and think the next home intruders could be armed.

If I dont feel safe I may want to put myself behind some cover with an open stairway giving me time to react, hearing them coming, having a straight shot to aim....

and if the aftermath was me walking up on some teen suffering from a lethal wound I would want to end the suffering and finish them off quickly.....

I dont know man, too many variables, but i do know if i was scared and didnt feel safe then I would be desperate as anyone would be


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[method115]

I don't know man, I'm up in the air on this one after thinking about it.....

DAY 1: IN HIS OWN WORDS
On Monday, jurors also got the chance to listen to Smith explain, in his own words, how he killed the two teenage intruders.

Although his attorney has not decided whether Smith will take the stand, audio recordings of his police interrogation were played in court on Monday. Smith could be heard speaking in a very matter-of-fact tone with officers as he told them he was terrified inside his Little Falls home after a rash of burglaries and thefts.

"These are people who have stolen my guns," he said. "I have a choice of being the shooter or getting shot."

When asked why he kept firing after Brady and Kifer were disabled, Smith said, "Even if I kill someone, I don't want them to suffer." He further compared the killings to hunting deer.

As the recording played, Smith made his first visible display of emotion, dabbing at tears in his eyes.

Read more: BYRON SMITH TRIAL: Chilling audio of Little Falls shootings - KMSP-TV http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/stor...dio-of-shootings-evokes-emotion#ixzz2zeeajMlp




My issue here is the man had his house broken into numerous times.... I've never had my house broken into thank God, but I'm trying to imagine what it would be like if my house had been broken into numerous times with things of mine stolen including guns.....

I would probably not feel safe since the police hasn't been able to stop it. I probably wouldn't feel safe knowing that whoever broke in and stole my guns since they didn't get caught they might wanna do it again so im gonna assume the worst and think the next home intruders could be armed.

If I dont feel safe I may want to put myself behind some cover with an open stairway giving me time to react, hearing them coming, having a straight shot to aim....

and if the aftermath was me walking up on some teen suffering from a lethal wound I would want to end the suffering and finish them off quickly.....

I dont know man, too many variables, but i do know if i was scared and didnt feel safe then I would be desperate as anyone would be


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Wow I had no idea he had his guns stolen before and robbed numerous times I thought just once before.

The executions seemed a little cruel. Still wouldn't be ok with putting this guy in jail. At most probation with some sort of therapy involved that's about it.

 

[Torami]

and if the aftermath was me walking up on some teen suffering from a lethal wound I would want to end the suffering and finish them off quickly.....

I dont know man, too many variables, but i do know if i was scared and didnt feel safe then I would be desperate as anyone would be
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Dont think you even read the entire thing. This dude is not right in the head.

Two more booms sound -- quick, fast and lethal.
“You’re dead,” Smith says.

Compassion my ass

Her footsteps travel to the same basement stairs where Smith was waiting, and another piercing boom sounds from the rifle. Haile lets out an “Oh God” as she tumbles.
Smith’s rifle then jams. He says, “sorry about that” as Haile emits what sounds like a faint sigh. Smith then unloads the .22 revolver, muttering “bitch” while shooting several more times.

This dude is fucked in the head. This def shifts my opinions. Im all for using a gun to defend yourself, but this really seems like he was itching to kill someone.

 

[ruthless robert]

Dont think you even read the entire thing. This dude is not right in the head.

Two more booms sound -- quick, fast and lethal.

 

[Torami]

he maybe crazy..... or he could be not in his right mind because he was scared and thought he was vulnerable so he wanted to do what he could to protect himself and put an end to the break ins.

when he yelled out you're dead maybe thats just a way for him to communicate to the person coming down the stairs after he shot them.... you have to understand this guy had his home broken into numerous times and had some of his guns stolen in previous break ins so the guy had to think there was a high chance that the intruders were armed....

if you think intruders are armed the last thing you want to do is give away your presence or position.... therefore when he did shoot and yelled out "you're dead" maybe that was a way for him to communicate during those chaotic moments while also trying to let any other potential invaders know that the first guy is dead so in essence leave..... and when the other invader starts coming down the stairs the old man probably thought there is some crazy bastard trying to get payback for me shooting their friend so i better get them before they get me.....



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Communicating to someone after he shot them twice and theyve rolled down a set of stairs wat. Then apologizing after you shoot someone who falls and your gun jams, only to unload onto them a few more times.

 

[ruthless robert]

Communicating to someone after he shot them twice and theyve rolled down a set of stairs wat. Then apologizing after you shoot someone who falls and your gun jams, only to unload onto them a few more times.

I'm not trying to have sympathy for someone that could be a crazy killer here but this is a crazy situation.... what if he saw that the person he shot was a teenage girl and when he said "sorry about that" maybe he did so because he really was because he didnt know they weren't armed and didn't know they were teens messing around..... he was more than likely in survival mode assuming the worst since his home had been broken into numerous times including some of his guns being stolen from previous break ins.....


and maybe he realized where she was shot was a lethal spot so instead of letting her suffer he finished her off.... and maybe by him say "bitch" as he was doing it was a way of him letting out his anger towards the girl for putting him in that situation.....

if someone was breaking into my window and all i saw was a silhouette they would be met with 5.56 nato rounds.... and if i went outside and saw the aftermath was some pretty young blonde i would probably call her a dumb bitch too because i would feel bad about smoking her and her forcing me to be in that situation...... i would feel much better if i smoked a 6 foot tall 300 pound felon.....


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[Torami]

I'm not trying to have sympathy for someone that could be a crazy killer here but this is a crazy situation.... what if he saw that the person he shot was a teenage girl and when he said "sorry about that" maybe he did so because he really was because he didnt know they weren't armed and didn't know they were teens messing around..... he was more than likely in survival mode assuming the worst since his home had been broken into numerous times including some of his guns being stolen from previous break ins.....


and maybe he realized where she was shot was a lethal spot so instead of letting her suffer he finished her off.... and maybe by him say "bitch" as he was doing it was a was of him letting out his anger towards the girl for putting him in that situation.....
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According to the tapes he shot her several more times after he had apologized, and then finished her with one shot a bit later. The girl was down after the first shot, then the rifle jammed. Yea he didnt want her to suffer my ass. Shooting them from the get go was fine, but when they were down he straight killed them with excessive shots and didnt need to.

So you can throw that all out of the window.

 

[jmadtx]

they had no business being there but damn....