Trayvon Martin Vs. Kyle Rittenhouse -- What's the Difference?

[rob mafia]

lol Zimmerman gained literally 100 lbs in the 16 months between the incident and the trial. People thought that it was a strategy to seem less threatening.

I guess it worked.

here's the before:

Spoiler

i don't think he intentionally gained weight, some people balloon up when they're under a lot of stress/anxiety. others wither away... or handle it well.

 

[Holic]

One of them died.

 

[Overtures]

it's all there, in its unrefuted (yet, still quoted) glory.

perhaps you should have read it before making a dumb rant about "likening" and etc.

Lol okay.

 

[esotamoc]

Smarter implies Kyle had a choice in the matter. He went there to defend stores and deter looters and assumed the rifle for show would be enough. I doubt he expected folks to be crazy enough to bullrush attack him while he was carrying an assault rifle.


But in Any case, being Canadian I decided to run a little social experiment. I posted the Rittenhouse video on facebook and made it private and only tagged 9 friends(6 woke Liberals, 3 Conservatives, all haligonians) i knew did not follow American politics and news at all, but are heavily into conservative vs Liberal/NDP politics in Canada. but I re-uploaded it to youtube on an Alias account called "Ontario News watcher" with the title "BLM supporter shoots in self defense against 3 White supremacists Toronto" and threw in an outrage line about "how dare this asshole intentionally go out looking for trouble and kill 3 unarmed civilians at a rally. It wasn't a white supremacist rally, just a People's party of Canada rally for Maxime Bernier"

I even gave the video a nice long fake news synopsis. Details like "the BLM/Antifa supporter went armed to confront a rally for PPC, known to have many supporters in Alberta.

Hilariously, the 6 Liberal/NDP BLM supporters all vigorously defended Rittenhouse in the video on the facebook post, stating he was under attack by obviously violent white supremacists and it was obvious he had no choice as they rushed him and wanted to get his gun and kill him. I parroted all the usual lines about how the BLM guy was obviously looking to start a fight and kill innocent folks at the rally and put himself in a situation where he could shoot somebody. They sat here literally arguing all the comments I make, but on the other side. 2 of the conservative guys immediately jumped on my side in the video, arguing for the 3 shot and the 3rd guy didn't respond for 8 hours.

When the 3rd Conservative guy responded hours later, he blew the whistle on it and said he could not find a single thing in the news about the Toronto shooting, but the shooting was widespread enough on social media by now that he saw it despite not following American news and informed the 6 Libs that they were taking the side of a Trump/Blue lives matter kid and told the 2 conservative guys they were actually defending Antifa/BLM. I was watching the fallout for that on that post for 4 days until they banned that youtube account.<{dayum}>

All in all it was fucking Hilarious and showed just how bad Partisan thinking and bandwagon hopping is at this point. Literally only 1 in 9 went digging for information before commenting.

The majority of people literally do not watch the physical evidence anymore without immediately picking a side before they even see it based on their political alignment.

The one guy at work I showed that video to without giving him details on anything said it was self defense, based on the video evidence alone. His only question during the video was "Why is that guy dumb enough to try to attack a guy with an assault rifle barehanded?", and I said "Shhhhh. just watch and tell me what you think"

Good experiment, and sounds about right. We all need to open our eyes and check our own biases.

 

[Bob Gray]

How was George Zimmerman self defense? Who was the one following who there? Pretty sure that was George who was doing the following and Trayvon felt threaten. Isnt that the premise of Kyle as well? He was being followed and felt threaten?

Rittenhouse was attacked, not threatened.

Like a previous poster said, Trayvons girlfriend saying Trayvon went back to go fight Zimemrman doesnt help, and the witness said Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman while Z was yelling for help.

Theres a lot we dont know about the Zimmerman/Trayvon situation, and we can only go by limited evidence. However nearly the entirety of the Rittenhouse situation is on video and clearly points to self defense.

 

[ElijahWood]

How are people still lying about the Zimmerman case? Let it go.

 

[Hog-train]

No they are completely different.

Trayvon had gotten to safety and then left it to go confront Zimmerman. Also it was Trayvon that initiated the physical aggression. He punched Zimmerman in the head, knocking him to the ground, and then got on top of him and was beating him.

Rittenhouse did not leave safety to confront anyone, and he was not the one who initiated physical aggression.

We don't know any of that with the Martin/Zimmerman situation. That's only Zimmerman's story.

What we do know was that Zimmerman was following Martin, there was a physical confrontation where Martin started winning, then Zimmerman shot him close range.

We don't know who started the physical confrontation, we don't know what was said, we don't know anything really other than the 3 things above. There's no video to tell.

Anybody who claims anything different or more has an agenda or is just choosing to believe one version of events because it fits their worldview.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Legally no he was not being stalked. Following someone in public only becomes a crime when you are harassing them. If zman was actively trying to kidnap, or otherwise victimize trayvon, that would be a much different story

Trayvon's reason for self defense fell completely apart when his girlfriend testified that he had ran away from zman, and then turned back around to find him and fight him

I find it hard to believe Trayvon just straight up attacked him for no reason. Zimmernab tried to citizens arrest him and got smacked.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

I find it hard to believe Trayvon just straight up attacked him for no reason. Zimmernab tried to citizens arrest him and got smacked.

I guess you haven't seen any of the hundreds of videos of the "knock out game". What makes you so sure about Trayvon?

 

[HydraCap3]

Trayvon was a hooded thug hopping fences in the dark into a neighborhood he didn't live in.

Kyle was a legal gun owning citizen who was fird at and then promptly defended himself as the Founders intended.

Also, Trayvon is dead, and Kyle is an American hero.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I'm of the opinion that anyone who thinks George Zimmerman was in the right is a big old piece of shit, and he is guilty of murder.

I'm of the opinion that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

I think these two positions are logically consistent. And I'm curious how anyone could side with both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse. That, to me, isn't consistent.

Rittenhouse felt his life was in danger, and given the context in which he was being chased --- a riot (where lawlessness is established) -- and his brandishing of a weapon, I think his intuitions were justified. He had a right to act in self-defense with lethal force.

And Trayvon's case is no different. He was being pursued, and given the context, his intuition that his life was in danger was justified. He had a right to act in self-defense with lethal force. In other words, it was in his right to physically try to incapacitate George Zimmerman.


Also this relevant tweet of Ben Shapiro's basically invalidates anything he's ever said:

I think Zimmerman was guilty, but absent any video his story of Trayvon rushing him from the bushes left him just enough reasonable doubt to get out of it.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I don't know about that. I was only referring to rachel jeantel i believe her name was. Wouldn't be surprised if trayvon was all like 'nah, she was never my girl..not like that...' if he was still alive

Rachel Jeantel is supposedly the half sister of Trayvon's actual girlfriend Diamond.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Rachel Jeantel is supposedly the half sister of Trayvon's actual girlfriend Diamond.

Fucking lol, you can't get anymore ratchet than "Diamond". Or was/is that her "stage" name?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Trayvon made the wrong choice in how he responded to the situation. He over reacted, and what he did was unlawful, what Zimmerman did was not against the law.

I am not saying what Zimmerman did was the smart thing to do. I think the guy is an absolute piece of shit, but he wasn't breaking the law. It really is as simple as that. Trayvon over reacted, screwed up, and escalated the situation with the wrong person.

FL is a stand your ground state so Trayvon's reaction wasn't against the law.

Zimmerman's story left enough reasonable doubt for some to let him off the hook, but if Trayvon were alive an argument would be made that Zim illegally detained him and was trying to illegally hold him against his will.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Fucking lol, you can't get anymore ratchet than "Diamond". Or was/is that her "stage" name?

Brittnay Diamond Eugene

 

[DeJulez]

Both Zimmerman and Rittenhouse did the same thing and should be jailed

Agreed.
Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was attacked is a moron who can't see the Negro being the victim.
It's something that should be a case study for ppl who simply run with the George Zimmerman narrative.
They only get their facts from pundits. Whatever FOX News tells them, that's what they get.
What ever Tucker and Hannity say, that's what they hear.
They told them Zimmerman was in the right and Martin attacked him. That's it. They dont Google the case. They dont Google map the area, link up the evidence and see how it played out. The dont watch Zimmermans own reenactment for detectives a day or so later.
They dont realize that he called the cops 49 times in a 2-3 year period in an apartment complex with only 3 streets, yet claimed he didnt know what the address was, so he walked in the middle of the courtyard where there are no addresses displayed, and claimed he was not actually following Martin anymore, as if that's not the most ridiculous statement ever made.
On here ppl will deny it.
But I've had this argument two weeks ago with someone and when u cant just bullshit with a keyboard it ends up being "Oh, I didnt know that and I didnt know the full case" yet they were so fuckin adamant that Martin did it prior to that.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Zimmerman did break off following Martin, though. It was over, and Martin had even made it back home I believe. He went back out to hunt down Zimmerman. It was a case of two assholes getting into a fight and one of them had a gun. That's it. The media made it racial and managed to make it catch on for a new outrage piece.

The situation doesn't compare to Rittenhouse at all, IMO, except for the dishonest media portrayal of the story. But that should always be expected. He is so goddamn lucky there is as much video footage as there is. He'd be absolutely screwed without it.

Martin didn't make it home. He cut behind an apartment/town home building.

Zimmerman claims to have stopped following and to be looking for a street sign to tell cops were Martin was last seen. That neighborhood is a loop and only has 2 streets and there wouldn't have been a street sign behind those apartments.

Granted, a lot of false info floated around about that case.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Brittnay Diamond Eugene

Christ, I wasn't far off.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The talking points went out to the right-wing contingent concerning the first victim, Rosenbaum's, criminal sexual history because they know no reasonable human being believes the threat the unarmed, plastic bag-throwing Rosenbaum posed to Rittenhouse at the moment Rittenhouse killed him was imminently life-threatening.

So plan B was to make the child rapist Rosenbaum as unsympathetic a victim as possible in the court of public opinion.

Of course, this tactic won't be allowed at trial in an actual court of law and the jury is going to determine whether or not lethal force was justified strictly on the merits of the 's "threat" to Rittenhouse.

And the left didn't put out that Rosenbaum moved to the area just to be closer to his daughter and how he was a great dad?

And the skateboard guy (that lived an hour away) was a great guy and only chasing Rittenhouse to protect others?

Don't even get me started on calling Rittenhouse a white supremacist with zero evidence.

 

[Fedorable]

Agreed.
Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was attacked is a moron who can't see the Negro being the victim.
It's something that should be a case study for ppl who simply run with the George Zimmerman narrative.
They only get their facts from pundits. Whatever FOX News tells them, that's what they get.
What ever Tucker and Hannity say, that's what they hear.
They told them Zimmerman was in the right and Martin attacked him. That's it. They dont Google the case. They dont Google map the area, link up the evidence and see how it played out. The dont watch Zimmermans own reenactment for detectives a day or so later.
They dont realize that he called the cops 49 times in a 2-3 year period in an apartment complex with only 3 streets, yet claimed he didnt know what the address was, so he walked in the middle of the courtyard where there are no addresses displayed, and claimed he was not actually following Martin anymore, as if that's not the most ridiculous statement ever made.
On here ppl will deny it.
But I've had this argument two weeks ago with someone and when u cant just bullshit with a keyboard it ends up being "Oh, I didnt know that and I didnt know the full case" yet they were so fuckin adamant that Martin did it prior to that.