Trayvon Martin Vs. Kyle Rittenhouse -- What's the Difference?

[Overtures]

I think Zimmerman was guilty, but absent any video his story of Trayvon rushing him from the bushes left him just enough reasonable doubt to get out of it.

I agree.


I have seen reports of Martin being the aggressor in this thread. But nothing was verified.

I’m assuming in the OP Martin ran and Zimmerman caught him.

And like I said to Cubo, the guilt could change hands, but we don’t know what happened.

 

[djacobox372]

If you're ignorant about the details of both cases, I can see how you can conflate them. But they are massively different:

• Zimmerman can't prove that he didn't start the fight with Trayvon. "Self defense" is an affirmative defense, you must prove your case. Kyle can prove this--the video is clear he was running away.
  
• Zimmerman did not try to retreat. He didn't have to in his state, but it does show intent.
• Nobody else shot first in the Zimmerman/Trayvon altercation, Kyle had reason to believe he was under fire
• Zimmerman was conceal-carry, so "IF" Trayvon started the fight he didn't know he was entering into a deadly situation--Kyle's victim knew what the stakes were and attacked anyway. Shows intent of Kyles attacker.
  
• Zimmerman is an adult and Tryavon is a child--the opposite is true in the Kyle's case.
• Zimmerman had a history of aggressive, anti-social behavior, Kyle does not.

 

[Ichibanner]

Trayvon was the victim of conforming to the shitty norms of his peers and also having a less than steady upbringing in a split parent household. The kid should have lived a long life. His friends had an idea where he was headed with the fighting, suspension, and forced move to a more "stable" environment living with his Dad.

When your friend texts: “Boy don’t get one planted in ya chest,” it may be a sign that you're heading down the wrong path and people around you see it even if you don't.

EDIT: To be clear I have problems blaming Trayvon for everything. He was a kid and maybe he did f*ck up and make a stupid choice but that's part of being a kid. My heart goes out to his family.

 

[Confucamus]

Martin didn't make it home. He cut behind an apartment/town home building.

Zimmerman claims to have stopped following and to be looking for a street sign to tell cops were Martin was last seen. That neighborhood is a loop and only has 2 streets and there wouldn't have been a street sign behind those apartments.

Granted, a lot of false info floated around about that case.

The media purposely altered facts to create a racial angle on the story. By the time the facts came out, it was too late. It couldn't stop the outrage machine they'd created. Some of them truly are the enemy of the American people. It's scary.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I'm of the opinion that anyone who thinks George Zimmerman was in the right is a big old piece of shit, and he is guilty of murder.

I'm of the opinion that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.

It's become increasingly obvious that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. With the Zimmerman case, there wasn't much that was obvious at all. It's possible Zimmerman murdered Trayvon. There simply wasn't enough evidence to convict.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I agree.


I have seen reports of Martin being the aggressor in this thread. But nothing was verified.

I’m assuming in the OP Martin ran and Zimmerman caught him.

And like I said to Cubo, the guilt could change hands, but we don’t know what happened.

A lot of misinformation or simply repeating Zim's story.

No one claimed Travon made it home and went back. One witness said after the shooting that the guy on top stood up. Another said the light skinned guy appeared to be on top, 2 others said Travon was on top.

Without video it's hard to say what exactly happened with Zim and Martin so we all view it from our own perspective

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The media purposely altered facts to create a racial angle on the story. By the time the facts came out, it was too late. It couldn't stop the outrage machine they'd created. Some of them truly are the enemy of the American people. It's scary.

True, the biggest thing I remember from the whole episode was the tv station that edited the 911 call.

 

[Confucamus]

True, the biggest thing I remember from the whole episode was the tv station that edited the 911 call.

That was the most egregious example, for sure. Also, lightening Zimmerman's skin tone in pictures, referring to him as "White-Hispanic", using photos of Martin from when he was 10 years old, constantly referring to the two men's race, etc.

Just awful people.

 

[floivanus]

I don't know about that. I was only referring to rachel jeantel i believe her name was. Wouldn't be surprised if trayvon was all like 'nah, she was never my girl..not like that...' if he was still alive

She wasn’t his girlfriend, she shows up NOWHERE in his text messages (attained via FOIA) and originally was supposed to be named “diamond” a girl NAMED diamond does exist, was tweeting around the same time and was “lawl zomg why would anyone say Trayvoyns mom was tryin to contact me, I don’t even know him” before privating her tweeter posts.

that girl is the cousin to Rachel, and is also the resident of the first house the lawyer went to meet her to depose, they were redirected to Rachel’s house, it’s fascinating and an actual case of witness tampering.

 

[MMABrooklyn]

Trayvon attacked a man who wasn't harming him in any way.

This is the problem when you are the type of person who strikes first when the situation doesn't call for it, eventually you meet your match and pay the ultimate price.

I promote all Black American citizens and residents to grip up.

 

[nhbbear]

I don’t think these incidents are similar. Zimmerman initiated the conflict where as the “victims” did with Kyle.

Zimmerman is a piece of garbage

 

[IamStryker]

There is no video of the contact between Trayvon and Zimmerman so you cant even compare them.

 

[brother mouzone]

She wasn’t his girlfriend, she shows up NOWHERE in his text messages (attained via FOIA) and originally was supposed to be named “diamond” a girl NAMED diamond does exist, was tweeting around the same time and was “lawl zomg why would anyone say Trayvoyns mom was tryin to contact me, I don’t even know him” before privating her tweeter posts.

that girl is the cousin to Rachel, and is also the resident of the first house the lawyer went to meet her to depose, they were redirected to Rachel’s house, it’s fascinating and an actual case of witness tampering.

wait, was she NOT on the phone with him then?

 

[loyalyolayal]

Fucking lol, you can't get anymore ratchet than "Diamond". Or was/is that her "stage" name?

The "Jeantel"(Chantel)killed me.

 

[floivanus]

wait, was she NOT on the phone with him then?

The girl that testified at trial was that girls cousin pretending to be Diamond who was Trayvon’s girlfriend.

 

[High Altitude]

FL is a stand your ground state so Trayvon's reaction wasn't against the law.

Zimmerman's story left enough reasonable doubt for some to let him off the hook, but if Trayvon were alive an argument would be made that Zim illegally detained him and was trying to illegally hold him against his will.

Stand your ground only applies if the other person is breaking the law and putting you in danger. Zimmerman was not breaking any laws.

Trayvon played the whole badass thug game with the wrong guy.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Stand your ground only applies if the other person is breaking the law and putting you in danger. Zimmerman was not breaking any laws.

Trayvon played the whole badass thug game with the wrong guy.

Did Zimmerman try to detain and question Martin? We only have Zimmerman's account, but if he did then that would be illegal.

Trayvon may have been playing badass, but Zimmerman was out playing cop himself.

 

[Confucamus]

I agree.


I have seen reports of Martin being the aggressor in this thread. But nothing was verified.

I’m assuming in the OP Martin ran and Zimmerman caught him.

And like I said to Cubo, the guilt could change hands, but we don’t know what happened.

Tough to know for sure without tape, but the evidence does speak to Martin being the aggressor. The only injuries he had, outside of the gunshot wound, were bruises on his knuckles. Zimmerman had multiple contusions to his face and the front and back of his head, plus defensive wounds. Not the whole story, but it says a lot.

 

[ElKarlo]

imo, OP's right. they're pretty similar: both self-defense.

and even a piece of shit like zimmerman has the right to defend himself.

funny enough, OP demonstrated modern leftism quite well - he doesn't think rights should apply to people he doesn't like.

Ooh well said. This has been a disturbing trend from the Marxist left. Rules for the cool kids and F you to everyone else.

 

[ElKarlo]

This whole theory becomes bullshit when you watch the videos and see Rittenhouse actively doing everything he can to avoid using his firearm. He runs away in both incidents. He fires only when being actively attacked and only at people who are actively attacking him. To watch that and still come away saying he was trigger happy and just looking for an excuse to shoot someone is to live in an alternate reality.

It's incredible, the videos are out there as well as eye witness testimony. Yet people either don't or won't believe it. It's really weird how they only believe their news organizations. O call them hoovers, because they like to suck.... Up bad information