Travis Stevens wins silver using BJJ?

[deweydeucalion]

You were getting your topics mixed up in the first place anyways.

Look closely, I said 'leg entanglements are the most effective way to attack on bot'. Do you dispute this? If so, Im going to have to write you a ticket for two counts of criminal mendacity, one count of aggravated myopia, and exceeding the goof limit in a 55 goof per hour zone.

There are 10000 Conor, Diaz, T-Wood, Ronda hate threads just waiting for a guy like you.
Judo Bless

 

[Uchi Mata]

Yes, fair enough, its true that its possible to set up a submission standing and just let let them take you down if you can trap them. Especially wrestlers that shoot in on your legs can be trapped in a guillotine or by kimura when trying to fasten a body-lock.

But apart from such exceptions; having the weapon of defending takedowns, or ending in a dominant position yourself if it goes to the ground, will be more and more important in MMA - defending from the bottom is normally the last place to be in a fight or MMA.

I agree. The single biggest weakness for BJJ guys going in to MMA, even more than striking (because you can get by with pretty bad striking if you have good all around grappling, at least at the regional level), is bad wrestling/standing grappling.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Without TD offense, you have little TD defense.

Sure you will guillotine or kimura the wrestler white belt because the sub gap is high, but at some point the wrestler is going to fix those issues and the BJJ guy with no TD wont be able to compete at all on their feet.

That's true. And in in rule sets where wrestling is important (ADCC mostly), you see BJJ guys spending tons of time getting their wrestling up to speed. It used to be less of an issue because BJJ guys had decent standup (at least the ones competing in ADCC did, because most of them also trained for MMA), but these days it can be a pretty big transition for someone who grew up butt flopping in IBJJF tournaments to learn to wrestle for ADCC. Guys like Romulo and Keenan had to work really, really hard on their wrestling to make it good enough to compete.

 

[yetanother]

t used to be less of an issue because BJJ guys had decent standup (at least the ones competing in ADCC did, because most of them also trained for MMA)

It used to be less of an issue because you where allowed to pull guard in the finals.

 

[rmongler]

There are 10000 Conor, Diaz, T-Wood, Ronda hate threads just waiting for a guy like you.
Judo Bless

Thank you, I'm glad we could have a productive end to this conversation.

Askren bless.

 

[deweydeucalion]

Rhadi Ferguson (famous Judoka) in a grappling match ADCC I believe doing his bread&butter Moroto gari. He got 2nd twice. Would always lose to the snow man