Trapping A Rat: Dedication To Helmer

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lesnar's takedowns aren't that special - against carwin and cain, they had no setup and they relied entirely on strength, which is why he was unsuccessful taking carwin down while carwin was alive and keeping cain down for more than a second. if it comes down to strength alone, overeem isn't going to be at a disadvantage, he's actually underrated in that regard (there's a vid of him deadlifting some world's strongest man shit). overeem obviously is the better striker, although his lack of striking aggression could partially work against him - lesnar is one of those guys you really have to go after, rather than try to counterstrike, especially because he can't shoot when running backwards. honestly, overeem's biggest worry is gassing out if lesnar decides to play the wall game.

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Yeah, I don't think Reem is going to be to concerned about counter striking with Brock he is going to go after Brock early and hard. If Brock can weather that storm Reem is going to have a shit night.
 
Brock by a country mile...deep serious...

I love Reem for Hounslow, but everyone I know from there has no idea who the fuck he is anywhore. My bezzer from there was harping on about Lashley.

Naaah, I'd like Reem to do it cos of the way Brock was with his first UFC fight. I didn't like that.
 
My main worry is if he gets Reem on the ground them hammers. And I don't know if Reem can cope with them.
 
Fuck this shit I had a thing for all y'all on the vacaroo thingy but I can't hear it.

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the thing is, brawk will not try to blizkrieg reem with punches. As soon as the fight starts brawk is gonna be looking for the takedown.

and he's going to eat a knee right off the bat

That's the question does Reem's striking overwhelm Brock or can Brock weather the storm? If Brock can weather the storm I think Reem is in for a long wrestle fuck of a night.

brock got tko'd by cain velasquez...if cain can do it, reem sure as hell can. overeem ain't no slouch when it comes to grappling. he's won his fair share of grappling tournaments, if i remember correctly and he has a bunch of submission victories.

lesnar's takedowns aren't that special - against carwin and cain, they had no setup and they relied entirely on strength, which is why he was unsuccessful taking carwin down while carwin was alive and keeping cain down for more than a second. if it comes down to strength alone, overeem isn't going to be at a disadvantage, he's actually underrated in that regard (there's a vid of him deadlifting some world's strongest man shit). overeem obviously is the better striker, although his lack of striking aggression could partially work against him - lesnar is one of those guys you really have to go after, rather than try to counterstrike, especially because he can't shoot when running backwards. honestly, overeem's biggest worry is gassing out if lesnar decides to play the wall game.

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agreed on all of the above. what concerns me is how reem gassed a bit in the werdum fight. hopefully he worked on his cardio for this fight and doesn't have any first fight octagon jitters. adrenaline and nervousness can fuck up your cardio and make you commit mistakes.
 
My main worry is if he gets Reem on the ground them hammers. And I don't know if Reem can cope with them.

reem has solid jiu jitsu. he has a bunch of guillotine victories, but he also has won via armbar, keylock, kimura, triangle, and RNC.

reem's got this!!
 
Yeah, I don't think Reem is going to be to concerned about counter striking with Brock he is going to go after Brock early and hard. If Brock can weather that storm Reem is going to have a shit night.

he shouldn't have been concerned about countering werdum, but he was - that's his style of striking, constant high guard followed by a counter hook, leg kick, or knee. it's like striking with silva or machida or le - you're stupid if you try to fight them from range, yeah it's gonna hurt but you have to be very aggressive and fight close. that's what brock has to do if overeem is fighting reserved, unfortunately brock can't take a punch, nor are his takedowns that impressive.

agreed on all of the above. what concerns me is how reem gassed a bit in the werdum fight. hopefully he worked on his cardio for this fight and doesn't have any first fight octagon jitters. adrenaline and nervousness can fuck up your cardio and make you commit mistakes.

i hear ya, he sounded absolutely winded following the werdum fight, and that was an action-lacking 3 rounder - this is gonna be 5. lesnar seemed pretty burned out too, though, after he got cain down the second time via a weightlifting takedown.
 
reem has solid jiu jitsu. he has a bunch of guillotine victories, but he also has won via armbar, keylock, kimura, triangle, and RNC.

reem's got this!!
I know. But IF Brock can get on top that's what I'm worried about.

Sammich upcoming forthwith and without further delay.
 
It's a 50/50 fight, really.

Reem can KO anyone.
Brock can beat anyone not named Cain if he performs well.
 
that's what brock has to do if overeem is fighting reserved, unfortunately brock can't take a punch, nor are his takedowns that impressive.

Are you basing this on the beating he took from Cain to the exclusion of all his other fights? Because that's fucking stupid. Ubereem is well known for gassing early, and gassing hard. If Brock can fight through the initial beating, he has a solid shot at ending it in the 2nd. That said, I think the horsemeat eater takes it, but to write Brock off is stupid, considering Overeem historically has shit cardio.
 
I'll go for Reem cos I like him more but it's a Cain JDS nifty. I went with the nifty JDS and did alright.

No fuck nifty. Reem's got this.
 
Ha, the Brock can't take a punch is the flipside of what I was remembering of Brock GIVING a punch, that's scary shit.
 
Are you basing this on the beating he took from Cain to the exclusion of all his other fights? Because that's fucking stupid. Ubereem is well known for gassing early, and gassing hard. If Brock can fight through the initial beating, he has a solid shot at ending it in the 2nd. That said, I think the horsemeat eater takes it, but to write Brock off is stupid, considering Overeem historically has shit cardio.

brock can't take a punch, hence the inverse turtle guard/disco shimmy. i'm not totally writing him off - i said overeem's lack of aggression and suspect cardio are factors - but brock's reliance on strength for his takedowns and inability to exchange after getting hit with a half-decent shot really hurt his chances of winning.

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i hear ya, he sounded absolutely winded following the werdum fight, and that was an action-lacking 3 rounder - this is gonna be 5. lesnar seemed pretty burned out too, though, after he got cain down the second time via a weightlifting takedown.

yep, he was badly gassed. there's no way this fight makes it out of round 3 and if it does, the fighters are going to look like hendo and shogun in the 5th round.

I know. But IF Brock can get on top that's what I'm worried about.

brock has had a year and 3 month lay off and he's had 2 surgeries for diverticulitis. there is no way that guy is going to keep the fight competitive.


I'll go for Reem cos I like him more but it's a Cain JDS nifty. I went with the nifty JDS and did alright.

No fuck nifty. Reem's got this.

reem vs jds. this has to happen.

Ha, the Brock can't take a punch is the flipside of what I was remembering of Brock GIVING a punch, that's scary shit.

please tell me you're not talking about the herring fight...
 
It really depends on how aggressive Reem is.

If he comes out guns blazing, Brock's going to shoot, pronto.

But, if he keeps his back to the fense and keeps his feet mobile, i can see him using his physical strength to creat enough space to strike from a clinched position and make Brock back off.
 
I think at some point Brock is going to punch the fuck out Reem's face.

Win or lose for Brock, i think he's going to land a bomb ass punch. That guy is just nasty quick for his size.
 
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