Transitions from triangle

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by zicherja, Nov 13, 2005.

  1. zicherja

    zicherja White Belt

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    Question:

    I love the triangle choke and armbar omoplata transitions. I almost always try for it when grappling. Recently, while applying the triangle, the opponent stood up and was hovering over me while I was trying to secure the triangle. Before I knew it, he completely stacked all of this weight on me and curled me up in a little ball flippling me over. Really hurt my neck and he escaped.

    Other than releasing the triangle, what else can you do in this situaiton when the person starts stacking towards you?
     
  2. scorcho

    scorcho Brown Belt

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    Grab your opponent's leg on the same side as the leg you have accross his shoulder. That way, you will not end up like Arona against Rampage :)
     
  3. Gsoares2***

    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

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    jst go to omo plattata - gogo platta or armbars on either side. Dont hold it bro it will get you hurt, youll either hurt your knee or your back.. only take what is there.
     
  4. pSyKOaLby

    pSyKOaLby Purple Belt

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    Yeah I usually grab the leg too. I learned it from a Mario Sperry video.
     
  5. Big Red

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    You could do some nice sweeps. My technical knowledge is vague but standing up whilst someone has one of your arms trapped aswell as your neck would leave you off balance & prone to sweeps.
     
  6. My advice, or what I do is, go for the straight armbar, and if he keeps stacking you, pull down on his head and arch your hips behind you, but dont froget to move your head out of the way. He should come over the top of you and you land in a mounted triangle


    Mind you, I am very flexible.
     
  7. Ybot

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    Depends on how tight I have my legs locked... If they are tight, just not finished the guy yet, I'll hold the triangle and stiffen my body so they can't walk over me too far (if they try they are pushing me away). Then I'll continue to try to finish. It's a balance keep them bent over so they can't posture out, but be stiff enough they can't walk or crawl over you.

    I they are just staking you you should be able to finish the triangle still. If your legs arn't tight try to sweep them if they stand.
     
  8. jadizm

    jadizm Self Serve Vanilla Pussy!!

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    just watch Nog he does it everytime he slaps on a triangle..
     
  9. triggertap79

    triggertap79 Green Belt

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    is it acceptable to stack someone if they are trying to triangle you as far as in a grappling match?
     
  10. jadizm

    jadizm Self Serve Vanilla Pussy!!

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    i have heard in some tourneys where slamming is legal.
     
  11. paulchu

    paulchu Guest

    the triangle should only be done if you have the movements down to a science. otherwise, anyone can put their weight sideways and get you in side control, or just roll you up in a ball (as you have seen personally) and have you on your face and claim your back. It looks cool, but it is truly a hard move to master. If you can get in a position where you can put your legs up that far his back, an armbar would probably be the best move for you to do.
     
  12. alexgncw

    alexgncw Guest

    if you don't feel like "you got them" just transition to omaplata or armbar or let go ... hooking the leg works but if they begin to stack you you're not gonna finish it most likely so you are better of going to something else

    another thing that works sometimes is doing a 1/2 situp and basically hanging onto them tight so they can't posture up or if they stand they have to pick you up with them
     
  13. Aesopian

    Aesopian Brown Belt

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    If someone stacks my triangle, I almost always grab a leg (make sure it is the correct leg--don't break your own triangle going the wrong way!) and roll them to mount. You can also walk you shoulders backwards and keep your back to straight to avoid the stack.

    Like everyone is saying, if you've got the triangle but have a hard time finishing it, you can switch to the standards like omoplatas and armbars (dependant upon what he's giving you).

    If you've got the inside arm across your stomach, lift your hips to tap the elbow and grab his wrist with both hands and yank it back for a shoulder/elbow crank. Be careful as people will often wrist it really hard only to have it pop on really hard and injure them.

    You can do a simple figure-four wristlock from the same position.

    If they are defend the inside arm too well, I'll attack the outside arm with kimuras or reverse armbars (where you hug their elbow with their wrist trapped at your shoulder like you're answering a phone).
     
  14. Ybot

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    You almost make it sound like only black belts can do triangles... Sorry to disagree, but it really isn't any more complicated than an armbar, so they are both good options, plus you can trainsition between them.

    And really I don't see stacking as a major problem for a triangle, you should still be able to finish. Posturing is the correct defence.
     
  15. paulchu

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    an armbar is much easier to successfully pull off than a triangle choke. furthermore, it is much easier to get put into a less dominant position on a failed triangle attempt than a failed armbar attempt. you are insane.
     
  16. Do you train? With what your saying, it seems like youve never even seen grappling or done it. Triangles are MUCH MUCH easier if you know how to do them, and it's easy to learn.
     
  17. Aesopian

    Aesopian Brown Belt

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    I'm better at triangles than armbars. Triangles are how I got my blue belt. Does that mean I'm really a black belt?
     
  18. Spoonman7

    Spoonman7 Red Belt

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    there are different things you can do, when I have gotten stacked, I have gone for a toehold on the closest foot and gotten it a few times, another one I like to do is a kimura to the arm that you have in the traingle, if they are defending and not letting you get their arm across their face then just slap a kimura on it, you have a double submission and the tap won't be far away.
     
  19. paulchu

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    Yes, a triangle got you a blue belt. That means countless times of successfully practicing your triangle so you "got it down to a science." If you are a person who will get stacked on while attempting the triangle, you are not someone who has been practicing the triangle enough.

    Right, "if you know how to do them." If you read the original post, you can see that he doesn't have a counter for a simple triangle defense.

    So I'm assuming, though probably untruthfully, that its one of two options:

    1) the poster is better with his hands than his feet: ergo, go for an armbar.

    2) the poster is not good at triangles: ergo, go for an armbar.

    No one cares how good you are at the triangle choke, no one asked. This is not a pissing contest on who has the better triangle choke, get over yourselves. Zicherja commented on the weakness in his triangle, so I told him that its harder to pull one off than an armbar, so go for an armbar instead.
     
  20. Hey hey now, I didnt mean to make you angry. If I was bragging I am sorry. I was just trying to help him out with his triangle. What I was saying is that there are just some tiny little things you can do to make your triangle much easier.
     

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