"Transgender tween enters dating world"

I think this is 100% clear cut medical child abuse.

This is no different from giving an 11 year old Testosterone and HGH shots because he isn't athletic but always knew that he was supposed to be a jock and felt like one on the inside.


The doctors involved should face disciplinary action and potential loss of licensure.
 
I would listen to all the medical and psychological professionals I could to try to make the best decision. I'm pretty sure that is what is happening here. I doubt it's just some kid being a little confused and the parents rushing to allow hormone treatments.

I would listen to them but realize that they are probably full of shit and trying to advance a politically correct agenda.

Take what works and discard the rest, or something.
 
I think this is 100% clear cut medical child abuse.

This is no different from giving an 11 year old Testosterone and HGH shots because he isn't athletic but always knew that he was supposed to be a jock and felt like one on the inside.


The doctors involved should face disciplinary action and potential loss of licensure.

Interesting. Hormones that make a man a woman are ok, but hormones that make a man more of a man are a crime against decency.

Where's Joe Biden in all of this?
 
Some people do have a problem with Jazz being transgendered -- but I think the overriding issue is the hormone therapy, which I don't feel is the appropriate treatment for a mental situation like this.

I don't really consider this a disorder until it drastically affects quality of life. I think Jazz could grow up able to cope that she just has a boy's body, and if she's feeling strongly about changing then it should be her entire responsibility and decision. At 25 or so.

Changing the body to suit the mind seems fraught with too many negative side effects. Why not shape the mind into accepting the body? My suspicion is hormones will exacerbate the emotional fragility.
 
dating at 11 years old? wtf?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

So how does one know what's their child's brain's gender base is.. when the child is but an infant? Maybe I missed a few things but it seems the parents decided the being in question "wasn't a boy" pretty damn early.
 
Maybe I missed a few things but it seems the parents decided the being in question "wasn't a boy" pretty damn early.
Trying to take their side on this, the only thing I can think of is that at three Jazz exhibited signs that they retroactively apprehended as being tendencies toward feminization. It wasn't so much Jazz literally corrected "I am a girl," but maybe more like Jazz trended toward those things even in a pre-verbal state.

Can a child under four grasp what sexuality is? To the point of being able to correct someone? Seems doubtful, but if its the parent's hindsight then I can see how they'd make such a statement. No it doesn't make it anymore true, but I have to believe that these parents in fact want what's best for the child and do know more about the situation than I do.
 
Trying to take their side on this, the only thing I can think of is that at three Jazz exhibited signs that they retroactively apprehended as being tendencies toward feminization. It wasn't so much Jazz literally corrected "I am a girl," but maybe more like Jazz trended toward those things even in a pre-verbal state.

Can a child under four grasp what sexuality is? To the point of being able to correct someone? Seems doubtful, but if its the parent's hindsight then I can see how they'd make such a statement. No it doesn't make it anymore true, but I have to believe that these parents in fact want what's best for the child and do know more about the situation than I do.

Well at this point of course Jazz thinks he's a girl, it's what he's been conditioned to do for 11 years, and not only that, but pumped full of drugs to assist in such belief/assist the body into almost believing it's female although it's male.

Sure, it's possible the parents want "what is best".. But they could also want attention or of wanted a girl and have the finances to make it happen. IMHO, there's nothing to correct here.. Something that requires assistance would be deafness, blindness, mental deficiencies, illnesses; and there's even been some exceptional people born with those.

Just because a boy grabs a barbie instead of an army guy means it has a different disposition? Aren't there straight fashion designers? Cooks? Barbers/hair stylists? What the boy just grabbed what was closer?

By no means saying you've the wrong idea here, just making conversation.
 
Interesting. Hormones that make a man a woman are ok, but hormones that make a man more of a man are a crime against decency.

Where's Joe Biden in all of this?

No I'm saying that any Doctor who willfully prescribes hormone therapy for a physically healthy child in the hopes of correcting a body image disorder is contributing to the abuse of a minor.


I'm saying that giving an 11 year old non physically active boy steroids because he beleives (or his parents have raised him to beleive) that he is a jock trapped in the body of a weakling is just as abusive as the situation with the child in question.
 
What if they had a girl who was a tomboy? Would they have started treatments to make her a guy? I know a lot of girls who were tomboys when young but turned much more feminine in their teens. The parents just jumped the gun here. She could always have the procedures done later, but she can never undo the ones she had now. It's a no brainer to wait at least until she is 16.
 
No I'm saying that any Doctor who willfully prescribes hormone therapy for a physically healthy child in the hopes of correcting a body image disorder is contributing to the abuse of a minor.


I'm saying that giving an 11 year old non physically active boy steroids because he beleives (or his parents have raised him to beleive) that he is a jock trapped in the body of a weakling is just as abusive as the situation with the child in question.

What if he IS physically active but he's just a few steps behind the other boys? He needs to be everything he wants to be, JUICE HIM UP
 
What if he IS physically active but he's just a few steps behind the other boys? He needs to be everything he wants to be, JUICE HIM UP

Honestly in the richer neighborhoods of LA (namely Pacific Palisades) I've heard that some of the same Dr's who give HGH injections to adults for youthful skin and longevity will give measured doses of HGH to middle school children so that grow taller during puberty and end up being taller as adults. All so that the rich parents paying them don't have to suffer the injustice of having average height children.


I'm a healthcare practitioner and I find all of this incredibly disgusting (the pharmaceutical manipulation of the bodies of healthy children part, I could not care less if Jazz wants to kiss boys instead of girls but I do not feel the school system or the medical establishment has any responsibility for helping him deny his own natural gender).
 
I figured out the reason I post so infrequently, most of you are fucks. I mean seriously wishing so much bad luck on this poor kid. At the end of the day this kid has more courage in her body than most of us have as men, and women in this forum. I hope she grows up to be amazing. The parents should be commended for their acceptance and guidance with this kid. Buck the fuck up people the world is changing around us, stop raising intolerant little fucks that would pick on this girl for being different and stop being an intolerant jack off yourself.
There's a difference between wishing bad things to happen and expecting bad things to happen.
 
IMHO, there's nothing to correct here.. Something that requires assistance would be deafness, blindness, mental deficiencies, illnesses; and there's even been some exceptional people born with those.
I agree hormone therapy is the wrong medication here; it actually gets me pretty upset they'd do this to an eleven year old. I don't quite agree there's nothing to correct because there is a vast disparity between mental identity and physical identity. By no means do I think Jazz needs to be pushed toward masculinity, but I definitely believe mental conditioning is required for Jazz to better cope with her situation. Toward accepting herself as being quite different and understanding the world will look at her differently -- and being able to be okay with that. I absolutely do not believe hormone therapy will help with that. I don't think baldly revealing her status to other eleven year olds is very helpful either.

But, and this is the devil's advocate for me, again I have to give parents the benefit of the doubt because they're in the trenches. Maybe they know more and maybe they know without a shadow of a doubt this is the right course of action.
 
This is yet another thread where Buffalo Bill is relevant. That makes at least 3 in like the last two weeks.
 
There is no thread that can't be improved with either of the following:

1. Oh was she a great big ole fat person?

2. It puts the lotion on its skin/YOU DOAN KNOW WHAT PAIN EH!

3. I'd fuck me....
 
I agree hormone therapy is the wrong medication here; it actually gets me pretty upset they'd do this to an eleven year old. I don't quite agree there's nothing to correct because there is a vast disparity between mental identity and physical identity. By no means do I think Jazz needs to be pushed toward masculinity, but I definitely believe mental conditioning is required for Jazz to better cope with her situation. Toward accepting herself as being quite different and understanding the world will look at her differently -- and being able to be okay with that. I absolutely do not believe hormone therapy will help with that. I don't think baldly revealing her status to other eleven year olds is very helpful either.

But, and this is the devil's advocate for me, again I have to give parents the benefit of the doubt because they're in the trenches. Maybe they know more and maybe they know without a shadow of a doubt this is the right course of action.



Personally I think using medical interventions so that a person can manipulate their gender to fit what they think is right in their head is no better than a deeply closeted gay born again christian taking viagra so he can have sex with women.

I'm all for gay rights and I think people should be able to do what they want to with their lives as long as they aren't hurting anyone but I strongly disagree with treating "transgender" persons with surgery and hormone therapy as any sort of medically covered procedure. If you want to do that sort of thing to yourself it should be 100% out of pocket like any other non health related elective procedure and it should never be done on children.

If you identify yourself as transgender and you feel that you need medical intervention you are openly saying that there is something deeply wrong with yourself. You are not proud of your identity, in reality you are doing everything possible to mangle your true physical body away from its true nature. I think a TS person seeking medical intervention is exhibiting a degree of self loathing on par with a gay person seeking medical intervention to become straight.

In fact in Iran where homosexuality is strongly frowned upon, male to female sex changes are actually very popular and are seen as a method by which a gay man can become socially acceptable in a society that does not tolerate open homosexuality.


To be fair though I think it should be illegal to perform any significant surgery on a minor for non medical reasons.

If a child is involved in an accident and is horribly burned, by all means do plastic surgery.

But a minor getting a non medically neccesary face lift / boob job / liposuction just to alter their looks should be illegal. Now if a 15 gets breast cancer and has a partial mastectomy, yeah she should be able to get breast implants. But a 15 year old who's just unhappy with being a B cup should not be able to regardless of her parent's opinion.

As for the parents knowing best, you forget that a great many people are stupid and have no idea what they're doing in life. They generally beleive they've made the best choices based on the information that was available to them at the time but history is littered with cases of people doing horrible horrible things that seemed like the right thing to do at the time.
 
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As for the parents knowing best, you forget that a great many people are stupid and have no idea what they're doing in life. They generally beleive they've made the best choices based on the information that was available to them at the time but history is littered with cases of people doing horrible horrible things that seemed like the right thing to do at the time.
Certainly true enough.

By counterpoint, we also forget that we can't predict the future. While we assume invasive medicine is all bad news we can't say for certain a productive and happy member of society will or won't blossom from this ordeal via the methods the parents employed. I'm not saying the parents are perfect, just....
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...their hearts are in the right place even if their little girl's vagina isn't.

Still, I want to smack the parents and force them to move to Hawaii.
 
I'm lying lying lying over you! I'd fuck me!
 
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