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Good. This delusion should be limited to the people experiencing it. What a massive blunder we've made as a society trying to normalize this BS.
 
thats good. a hospital that is geared towards treating women and womens issues with experts in women based medicine cannot be expected to treat men who want to present as women.

absent a rabid right wing christian movement like we have in the states we may be justified expecting more sanity over time around this issue. there is certainly much better debate and discussions being had over there. this transwoman is speaking real sense... just plain logic and reason.
so she MUST be a transphobe!


she thinks-

--men are men and women are women no matter how the present themselves. we should not allow language to obfuscate that fact. male and man are for men and female and women are for women. boys for boys and girls for girls. "gender" is a totally separate discussion.

--preferred pronouns should not be required speech.

-- children should not be transitioned.

--trans people are not in massive danger from society.

--its hard for women and all people who are different and women should not take on the burden of danger by accommodating trans-women.

--the evidence for trans kids committing suicide if not affirmed is very weak. kids should NOT be directed that direction but are being.

-- being trans is a disorder and the stigma around the world disorder ought to be removed rather than the fact that it is a disorder.

-- children should not be told that they can become the opposite sex as they cannot understand the devastating effects that may come about nor the realities of what sex change medication or surgery can cause.

--having been taken for both male and female this person notices that both men and women defer to men over and above women and that male voices get heard before and more often than women. men get their way more than women.

 
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Iconoclast said:
Let people be who they want to be. Why would anyone care?
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the issue only matters when it comes to shared spaced and benefits targeting a specific sex. but in these areas it matters quite a bit.
 
muhammadgoatli said:
What part do you take issue with, if I may ask?
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I'm not sure what the threshold for 'transgender' is.

Someone who is transitioning? Has transitioned?

It's a bit demeaning for someone who has fully transitioned and ostensibly has female body parts (no need for commentary on this), but who is still treated as a man and a danger because 'narrative'.

So I'm not quite in full support unless I know it's enacted sensibly, rather than hatefully.
 
Oris79 said:
You're being cynical, flat out lying. Deep down you know how messed up things have gotten with the tq+ crowd. But, again, instead of admitting that, you double down on your gas lighting.
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"YoU'rE lYiNg" seems to be getting more common.

No, people just have a different opinion to you, and you're going to have to deal with it - that's your problem, not mine.
 
James Bomb said:
What the fuck does that have to do with what I posted? Is your browser malfunctioning or something?
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well aside from any perceived hatred towards trans people this trans person shares nearly every single perspective shared by conservatives in this thread. positions that are wrongly called bigoted, hateful, etc.
 
terrapin said:
the issue only matters when it comes to shared spaced and benefits targeting a specific sex. but in these areas it matters quite a bit.
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Let people live. It's none of your fucking business. I personally don't get it but I'm not gonna try to tell them how to live their lives. Either should you. Its none of your business.
 
Iconoclast said:
Let people live. It's none of your fucking business. I personally don't get it but I'm not gonna try to tell them how to live their lives. Either should you. Its none of your business.
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thats an insufficient attitude when considering shared spaces though... especially prisons and shelters and bathrooms. its also not a sufficient perspective when considering benefits meant to target women being taken by men who identify as women ie shortlists and special funding etc.

there are a great deal of very important issues to be dealt with on this front actually.
 
terrapin said:
thats an insufficient attitude when considering shared spaces though... especially prisons and shelters and bathrooms. its also not a sufficient perspective when considering benefits meant to target women being taken by men who identify as women ie shortlists and special funding etc.

there are a great deal of very important issues to be dealt with on this front actually.
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I get what you're saying. It's a complicated issue. I just feel these people deserve the treatment and rights that everyone of us is entitled to.
 
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Iconoclast said:
I get what you're saying. It's a complicated issue. I just feel these people deserve the treatment and rights that everyone of us is entitled to.
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Why do you think no one talked about trans people 15 years ago while these days it's all the rage? Left wingers think right wingers are brainwashed into doing it but 15 years ago there was not a push to force people to treat others as the opposite sex. They weren't pushing their way into opposite sex bathrooms, changing areas and sports teams. They weren't attempting to acclimate themselves to other people's children and putting false gender theory books into children's libraries. No one gave a shit if a person was trans back then because trans people were just looking to either get by or live out their little fetish mostly in peace.

These days all of that is happening and it's down right crazy. Left wingers want you to be forced to have to treat a guy wearing a purse and lipstick the exact same way you would treat a female. Yet for some reason there isn't a single straight left winger that would enter a relationship with that 'woman'. It's that kind of madness and hypocrisy that has right wingers pissed off.
 
Iconoclast said:
I get what you're saying. It's a complicated issue. I just feel these people deserve the treatment and rights that everyone of us is entitled to.
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they have them for the most part already and i totally agree. but their "rights" can infringe on women's rights in particular unless a more careful discussion is had. third spaces is the best option for them in prisons, bathrooms, locker rooms, sports etc. we also have to retain language that distinguishes between men and women for all sorts of legal reasons like the quotas and funding i mentioned above.

forcing women to allow biological men into their spaces is not a solution its just a place to dump the problem without actually addressing it. prisons seem an especially cruel place to hoist men onto women seeing as how the levels of violence between men and women is so great among prison populations.

both sides of the debate seem to be had by the loudest and most obnoxious people but there is a reasonable discussion to be had.
 
@Iconoclast

if you are interested in high level intellectualy honest and respectful dialogue on this topic kathleen stock is an amazing source. she has a phd in philosophy and is a lesbian too,

 
sangreporsangre said:
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The court filing is actually insane.

Five years ago the trans movement's position was that you can't conflate sex with gender, and that they're different concepts. Now the position is that one's gender identity is their sex.

It's almost as if they're just making it all up as they go along to achieve their desired ends.
 
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