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it's elective because the insurers deem it as elective.

at the same time, it qualifies as a FSA item, so it's not totally elective because it is somewhat covered.
I'm not sure how to feel about that. I definitely think insurance should cover @lifelessheap's eye surgery. In a single-payer system he'd have it covered free at the point of service and could see any physician he wants to see to do it.
 
These Pizzagaters and QAnon idiots aren’t actually upset about doctors making money or children getting hurt.

In fact, if you gave these same kids free medical care or a free school lunch, they’d start blowing shit straight out of their size 46 carhartts.

it’s about trying to launder their bigotry in a way that’s more socially acceptable. The same excuse that bullies have used for generations.

Kids can already get free medical care and free lunch at school ya genius.
 
Obamacare isn't great, but it's better than nothing. The best part is that it protects preexisting conditions. The Republicans want to completely dismantle the ACA and replace it with... nothing. No protections for people. Just letting the mafia middleman run wild...
right, as if that was a big problem before......... it wasnt. it was psychological more than anything else.

low income folks already had medicaid/medicare

anyone with a job can already get employer based care for a higher cost, WITH preexisting conditions protection. the extreme costs of health insurance is because it exists, the mafia middleman as you say it, we never got rid of it, they still run the cartels. ACA did nothing but force us to participate in these games, high prices will always exist as long as we are forced to play their games.

Hell, plenty of people overpay still, because they dont know how to play the game well, but the fact that normal folk have to have an intricate understanding of health insurance in the first place................... well, that's bullshit. Funny thing is that I work with a hundred doctors, and the consensus.. is that they're just as confused about insurance as anyone else.

insurance is psychological warfare in combination with complicated math estimations, that an engineer like me, has issues with deciphering.
 
Medical care in the USA has become a nightmare. Local taxes help fund for profit hospitals, this baffles me on so many different levels.
Does it surprise me that this is going on with children and transitioning, no, not at all.
Insurance companies have always been the biggest scam to me, lets take money from healthy people to pay for unhealthy people and make a profit. WHAT??

Bry
 
Once they are 18 they can chop up their bodies anyone they want and take all the drugs they want to change their body.

Untill they are 18 they should not be able to do or take drugs to change their body.

The exception could be at 16 if they go through some kind legal process to be emancipated.
 
Once they are 18 they can chop up their bodies anyone they want and take all the drugs they want to change their body.

Untill they are 18 they should not be able to do or take drugs to change their body.

The exception could be at 16 if they go through some kind legal process to be emancipated.


They can't purchase pornography or consume alcohol. Can't vote. But they can have their penises cut off creating a lifetime medical trauma. The wound tries to heal creating a life threatening situation that has to be managed.

Brah. What has happened.

<BlackPinkStab>


Parents are at fault. Protect your kids.<Rodgers1>
 
Medical insurance is a racket and you have to do all you can to make ot work for you.

I have medicare A and B and I also carry my full health insurance from my work where I retired. My because medicare doesn't cover alot and you are stuck paying all kinds of shit. Having the secondary insurance pays what medicare doesn't pay.

However the medical care is great.

That's the problem with most all of the National health care I see. The medical care is not as good and the wait times are bad.

Look at the problems in the UK and with the size of the the US it will be a cluster fuck.
 
I'm not sure how to feel about that. I definitely think insurance should cover @lifelessheap's eye surgery. In a single-payer system he'd have it covered free at the point of service and could see any physician he wants to see to do it.
the qualifier is that you have an FSA capable insurance, and in my latest post.............. yeah, the complexity is number one bullshit. My dad had his teeth replacement, "elective", 60K, he took a HARD hit. People generally dont like talking about health insurance, because it's painful and extremely confusing, but I'll tell you that it's a shit show in america. I've used health care in multiple countries, have five children, two that were poor in health as youngsters, and I've spent over a month time collectively in the hospital rooms because of said poor health. I've negotiated countless bills, saved thousands, paid tens of thousands out of pocket over this time span, I've got a slightly higher level of comprehension on this subject.

While eye care is not technically covered, you can get it covered by FSA and HSA, so at bare minimum, your not getting taxed on it (federally, fucken california state taxes still tax you on shit like this, a state that wants free health care btw), and sometimes, the employer contributes to those funds. I'm looking for vision stuff myself, getting to that age now..... lens replacement costs 6K per eye, and I'll be damned to use my taxed dollars to pay for that, it aint happening. I'm paying 12K for braces for three kids currently, dental insurance is a joke as well, but I'll get it for a few years to save a few hundred based on my calculations, then I'll discontinue that shit show until the younger ones need it. I'd say that those dental issues are way more elective than your vision, yet you are covered more..... not by much though.
 
Medical care in the USA has become a nightmare. Local taxes help fund for profit hospitals, this baffles me on so many different levels.
Does it surprise me that this is going on with children and transitioning, no, not at all.
Insurance companies have always been the biggest scam to me, lets take money from healthy people to pay for unhealthy people and make a profit. WHAT??

Bry
absolutely the lowest scum of society
 
right, as if that was a big problem before......... it wasnt. it was psychological more than anything else.

low income folks already had medicaid/medicare

anyone with a job can already get employer based care for a higher cost, WITH preexisting conditions protection. the extreme costs of health insurance is because it exists, the mafia middleman as you say it, we never got rid of it, they still run the cartels. ACA did nothing but force us to participate in these games, high prices will always exist as long as we are forced to play their games.

Hell, plenty of people overpay still, because they dont know how to play the game well, but the fact that normal folk have to have an intricate understanding of health insurance in the first place................... well, that's bullshit. Funny thing is that I work with a hundred doctors, and the consensus.. is that they're just as confused about insurance as anyone else.

insurance is psychological warfare in combination with complicated math estimations, that an engineer like me, has issues with deciphering.
Single-payer takes away ALL of the confusion. ALL other developed nations have some form of universal healthcare except us. Whether it's single-payer, some form of hybrid public/private system, etc. We're getting FUCKED. Paying the most and getting the least among industrialized nations.
 
The right’s fascination with this is gross. What business is it of this nutcase, Shapiro? If some consenting adult, or some consenting child and their family make a decision along with their doctor and a reputable University Med School to, for example, remove (or not remove ) healthy breast tissue? Maybe Shapiro could just mind his f#$king business.

There are what, 10,000 of these surgeries per year in the US? a small fraction of those are under 18 and a small fraction of those occur at this University. (Glutches pearls!)

But, a million DEAD from Covid 19 at that’s a “nothing Burger” to the right.

What about the children? Fine, about 1 in 7 children in the US experienced abuse or neglect in the last year, per the CDC. Where is Shapiro on this? Why the intense interest the sexual identities and sexual medical decisions of minors and their families?

Why shouldn't he speak on things that drive clicks and traffic? It's literally his job to stir shit.
You're not expecting him to actually work a real job, are you? lol If you do you might just be crazier than I am.

Anyway what's your opinion on TheScience that drives this current focus on treating dysphoria through surgery and drugs in a way that effectively makes a physically healthy child, who according to current statistical data might have just be gay or have the dysphoric thoughts dissipate as the child's brain develops, into a lifelong medical patient?

Do you think TheScience behind cutting these kids up is settled? Because if it is, you'd be completely justified to label (as so many here often do) any discussion about this topic a tribalized obsession.

At the prestigious Center of Expertise on Gender Dysphoria, at Vrije Universiteit University Medical Center, in Amsterdam—often referred to simply as “the Dutch clinic”—an older cohort of kids who went through the puberty-blockers-and-cross-sex-hormones protocol was also found to be doing well: “Gender dysphoria had resolved,” according to a study of the group published in 2014 in Pediatrics. “Psychological functioning had steadily improved, and well-being was comparable to same-age peers.”

These early results, while promising, can tell us only so much. Olson’s findings come from a group of trans kids whose parents are relatively wealthy and are active in trans-support communities; they volunteered their children for the study. There are limits to how much we can extrapolate from the Dutch study as well: That group went through a comprehensive diagnostic process prior to transitioning, which included continuous access to mental-health care at a top-tier gender clinic—a process unfortunately not available to every young person who transitions.

Among the issues yet to be addressed by long-term studies are the effects of medications on young people. As Thomas Steensma, a psychologist and researcher at the Dutch clinic and a co-author of that study, explained to me, data about the potential risks of putting young people on puberty blockers are scarce. He would like to see further research into the possible effects of blockers on bone and brain development. (The potential long-term risks of cross-sex hormones aren’t well known, but are likely modest, according to Joshua Safer, one of the authors of the Endocrine Society’s “Clinical Practice Guideline” for treatment of gender dysphoria.)

Meanwhile, fundamental questions about gender dysphoria remain unanswered. Researchers still don’t know what causes it—gender identity is generally viewed as a complicated weave of biological, psychological, and sociocultural factors. In some cases, gender dysphoria may interact with mental-health conditions such as depression and anxiety, but there’s little agreement about how or why. Trauma, particularly sexual trauma, can contribute to or exacerbate dysphoria in some patients, but again, no one yet knows exactly why.

To reiterate: For many of the young people in the early studies, transitioning—socially for children, physically for adolescents and young adults—appears to have greatly alleviated their dysphoria. But it’s not the answer for everyone. Some kids are dysphoric from a very young age, but in time become comfortable with their body. Some develop dysphoria around the same time they enter puberty, but their suffering is temporary. Others end up identifying as nonbinary—that is, neither male nor female.

Ignoring the diversity of these experiences and focusing only on those who were effectively “born in the wrong body” could cause harm. That is the argument of a small but vocal group of men and women who have transitioned, only to return to their assigned sex. Many of these so-called detransitioners argue that their dysphoria was caused not by a deep-seated mismatch between their gender identity and their body but rather by mental-health problems, trauma, societal misogyny, or some combination of these and other factors. They say they were nudged toward the physical interventions of hormones or surgery by peer pressure or by clinicians who overlooked other potential explanations for their distress.

Some of these interventions are irreversible. People respond differently to cross-sex hormones, but changes in vocal pitch, body hair, and other physical characteristics, such as the development of breast tissue, can become permanent. Kids who go on puberty blockers and then on cross-sex hormones may not be able to have biological children. Surgical interventions can sometimes be reversed with further surgeries, but often with disappointing results.

The concerns of the detransitioners are echoed by a number of clinicians who work in this field, most of whom are psychologists and psychiatrists. They very much support so-called affirming care, which entails accepting and exploring a child’s statements about their gender identity in a compassionate manner. But they worry that, in an otherwise laudable effort to get TGNC young people the care they need, some members of their field are ignoring the complexity, and fluidity, of gender-identity development in young people. These colleagues are approving teenagers for hormone therapy, or even top surgery, without fully examining their mental health or the social and family influences that could be shaping their nascent sense of their gender identity.

That’s too narrow a definition of affirming care, in the view of many leading clinicians. “Affirming care does not privilege any one outcome when it comes to gender identity, but instead aims to allow exploration of gender without judgment and with a clear understanding of the risks, benefits, and alternatives to any choice along the way,” Aron Janssen, the clinical director of the Gender and Sexuality Service at Hassenfeld Children’s Hospital, in New York, told me. “Many people misinterpret affirming care as proceeding to social and medical transition in all cases without delay, but the reality is much more complex.”

To make sense of this complex reality—and ensure the best outcome for all gender-exploring kids—parents need accurate, nuanced information about what gender dysphoria is and about the many blank spots in our current knowledge. They don’t always get it.

A million dead from covid is tragic, but how many have died from the Opioid epidemic propagated by TheScience that for some should be obeyed without question?

Overdose deaths involving opioids have increased more than sixfold since 1999. In 2019—the most recent year for which full data is available—opioid overdoses killed nearly fifty thousand people, or more than seven times the number of U.S. military service members killed in the post-9/11 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. According to provisional CDC data, the number of opioid-related overdose deaths shot up in 2020 to around seventy thousand and again in 2021 to eighty thousand. Since 2015, the opioid mortality rate has contributed to a historic decline in life expectancy in the United States (though there was a short reprieve in 2018–19).
Many health experts attribute the high death toll to what they say was years of overprescribing by physicians. Doctors began prescribing more opioids amid a growing concern that pain was going undertreated, and also because pharmaceutical companies began marketing the drugs more aggressively while claiming they posed little risk. Health-care providers reported feeling pressure to prescribe opioid medications rather than alternatives, such as physical therapy or acupuncture, because patients request them and other treatments are often more costly or less accessible.

Opioid-related deaths increased in lockstep with the volume of opioids prescribed. A spike in the use of illegal opioids in the United States has followed the rise in prescriptions, as many users turn to heroin and other illegal drugs once they can no longer obtain enough of their prescribed drug to keep pace with what may be a developing addiction. “We didn’t develop an opioid epidemic until there was a huge surplus of opioids, which started with pharmaceutical drugs distributed legally,” New York Special Narcotics Prosecutor Bridget G. Brennan told CFR.

The COVID-19 pandemic has worsened the opioid epidemic. Disruptions to supply chains have forced people to turn to drugs they are less familiar with, and social-distancing measures have meant more people taking drugs alone, analysts say.

The opioid epidemic kills the young, the covid epidemic killed the old who had a couple comorbidities, the main one was being a fatty...which is another ongoing epidemic. Do you think that maybe there is a bit of room for the "prevention is better than cure" model of practising medicine to be discussed rather than imposing one treatment on a population that has a diversity of health profiles?

If the science behind cutting and drugging kids isn't settled, then case with the covid lockdowns there may be uncharted variables that in long term make the cure actually worse than the disease for children, that may be worth discussing.

That depressing stat about one in seven children being neglected or abuse in the states last years takes on an even darker when paired with this data about the effects of lockdowns:

https://www.unicef-irc.org/article/...-effects-of-life-in-lockdown-on-children.html
  • Older children and adolescents reported higher and more severe rates of depressive symptoms.

  • Children living in more affected areas, rural areas, or near the epi-centres of COVID-19 outbreaks were associated with higher stress and depressive symptoms including anxiety and substance abuse.

  • Children living in poverty or in lower socio-economic status were found to be at greater risk of stress and depressive symptoms, whereas higher socio-economic status was found to be a protective factor.

  • Children with pre-existing conditions were more significantly affected by pandemic-related changes.

  • Children in lower socio-economic settings or humanitarian settings experienced more depression and trouble adapting to online education.

  • Children who were exposed to pre-existing childhood abuse and neglect were at increased risk of stress.

  • Family conflict increased the risk of mental distress among children and adolescents.

  • Separation from families and parental depression were also risk factors for stress and adjustment during the Pandemic.

  • Stigma based on ethnicity and all forms of racial discrimination were associated with greater anxiety among adolescents.

  • Social isolation and loneliness during lockdowns contributed to a range of outcomes including depression, irritability, anxiety, stress, alcohol use and sedentary behaviours.

  • However, in some studies, children reported benefits of confinement including spending time with family, relief from academic stressors, which correlated with more life satisfaction.

  • Experience or fear of exposure to COVID-19 predicted stress and depressive symptoms but also positive outcomes of health promotion and infection prevention, great social distancing and news monitoring.

  • Children and adolescents who spent more time on physical activities and maintaining routines were better protected from depressive symptoms. Stress management, leisure activities and regular communication with loved ones proved to be protective coping strategies to deal with the lockdown stressors.

  • Engaging in recreational activities, using technology to communicate with loved ones, having more time for oneself and one’s family, protected against anxiety and contributed to overall wellbeing during the pandemic.
Hopefully a discussion can be had without defaulting to a censorious posture. Not saying you yourself have one, you make a valid points in your post. But it wasn't to long ago that people were shouted down for questioning the efficacy of lockdowns. No man (except preemie mods who call touch fouls) is infallible regardless of title or occupation. Other factors may influence a doctors care plan...politics, financial incentives, fear of censure...

The Rise and Fall of Tavistock, an organization once considered the Oracle of Delphi of the gender game, should be an emergency brake on the type of absolutist thinking that has surrounded this particular treatment strategy. More than a thousand lawsuits are about to get in that ass. Countries in the Netherlands or whatever who are seen as models of progressivism have changed their stance, and now require a court order to cut kids up. The new methods focus on treating the comorbidities common to dysphoric kids, while not affirming any particular gender.
 
the qualifier is that you have an FSA capable insurance, and in my latest post.............. yeah, the complexity is number one bullshit. My dad had his teeth replacement, "elective", 60K, he took a HARD hit. People generally dont like talking about health insurance, because it's painful and extremely confusing, but I'll tell you that it's a shit show in america. I've used health care in multiple countries, have five children, two that were poor in health as youngsters, and I've spent over a month time collectively in the hospital rooms because of said poor health. I've negotiated countless bills, saved thousands, paid tens of thousands out of pocket over this time span, I've got a slightly higher level of comprehension on this subject.

While eye care is not technically covered, you can get it covered by FSA and HSA, so at bare minimum, your not getting taxed on it (federally, fucken california state taxes still tax you on shit like this, a state that wants free health care btw), and sometimes, the employer contributes to those funds. I'm looking for vision stuff myself, getting to that age now..... lens replacement costs 6K per eye, and I'll be damned to use my taxed dollars to pay for that, it aint happening. I'm paying 12K for braces for three kids currently, dental insurance is a joke as well, but I'll get it for a few years to save a few hundred based on my calculations, then I'll discontinue that shit show until the younger ones need it. I'd say that those dental issues are way more elective than your vision, yet you are covered more..... not by much though.
That cocksucker Gavin Newsom blocked single-payer in California. Fuck that guy. I hope Don Jr. is enjoying his sloppy seconds...

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Single-payer takes away ALL of the confusion. ALL other developed nations have some form of universal healthcare except us. Whether it's single-payer, some form of hybrid public/private system, etc. We're getting FUCKED. Paying the most and getting the least among industrialized nations.
I'm on board single payer, have been for many years, if not a decade plus. I'm just saying that private can work like it did in the 80's, but it's well too much of a debate to get going, and far beyond the point of return, ship has sailed a long time ago. We do need to implement other systems that single payer has, like their litigation into health care. Anything to bleed these lawyers by the jugular, I'm in favor.

great thing about single payer is that it covers bare minimum (well a lot more really), and if you WANT extra/faster service, pay out of pocket. the pharmacutical industry would take a big hit, private insurers would have to lay off a ton of workers, but on the bright side, my local deli could use help, and the taco bell down the street has a help wanted sign ;). it's not like our private insurers/HC is a ton better, I have a two month wait for some odd thoracic back pain I've got..... and two months of back pain is not trivial.......
 
This is the Vanderbilt story, yes? If so saw this yesterday. The doctor pushing for this was bragging how they could make $40K per surgery and up to $100K total because how much follow up was required for these procedures. Some sick fucks that put $$$ over the kid's lives they are fucking with. And the 2nd doctor saying any conscientious objectors weren't welcome in Vandy aka don't fuck with our cash inflow. If they really felt they were in the right they wouldn't have scrubbed their entire website. Literal scum of the Earth.

Looking forward to all the future lawsuits and if there were any justice in this World these cunts would be in jail.
 
Big money part of drive to promote trans movement.

That's the nature of a privatized healthcare service, it will prioritize profitable procedures and that's been the case for a long time. For instance, total knee and hip replacements are very profitable for hospitals so they invest a lot in that since it helps keep them solvent. That doesn't mean the industry is purposefully pushing healthy people to get knee replacements though and I don't think the industry would do that for gender reassignment surgeries.
 
This is in the same ballpark as planned obsolescence and treating symptoms instead of illnesses. Anyone who's ever ran a business knows return customers are what keep you afloat. What better way to ensure your patients keep coming back than to fuck them up for life before their lives truly begin? Fucking with how evolution designed our maturing process isn't a cost free process.
 
these people are monsters.
i've been saying it for a while - a trans person is a winning lottery ticket for the pharma complex. possibly millions in revenue during a lifetime - intervention, maintenance, hormones, counseling, lasting their entire life. walking goldmines. you just need to push it hard in schools, so that it starts early and the revenue potential is large.

it's going for the kids that's the big money maker. you don't need no 48 year old dude, you get him for a couple decades at most, you need a ten year old kid that has his surgeries by 16 so you get him for many decades to come. millions upon millions.
absolute monsters. and anyone supporting this is a monster also.




 
That cocksucker Gavin Newsom blocked single-payer in California. Fuck that guy. I hope Don Jr. is enjoying his sloppy seconds...

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eskimo bros and a grifter <Lmaoo>

you just gotta roll with the punches, life is a shitshow

"what's happened is out of your control, how you deal with it, makes you" or some shit a well known philosopher once said. Not much I can do about these filthy animals other than vent and strategize. Private Health Insurance is bullshit, and there's ton of devils in the details. My post history, I was fully supportive of obama's UHC turned to Public Option, and then it all fell apart quite fast when I found out about liz fowler being the author of ACA.

blast from the past
 
The right’s fascination with this is gross.
so you think the "right" talking about this issue is the gross part?

What business is it of this nutcase, Shapiro? If some consenting adult, or some consenting child and their family make a decision along with their doctor and a reputable University Med School to, for example, remove (or not remove ) healthy breast tissue? Maybe Shapiro could just mind his f#$king business.

What is a "consenting child"?
So your position is that if a parent wants to abuse their child, society should "mind their fucking business"

There are what, 10,000 of these surgeries per year in the US? a small fraction of those are under 18 and a small fraction of those occur at this University. (Glutches pearls!)

even 1 of these surgeries on children is too much.

You are one sick individual. If you have children, they should be taken from you.
 
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