Opinion Transgender Megathread V1.

[The_Renaissance]

What we always did. Ignore them. Stop giving them a platform. Stop letting them dictate literally anything to us.

I am no longer tolerating them. I will attack them every single chance I get, I want this movement to fuck off.

 

[Seano]

I am no longer tolerating them. I will attack them every single chance I get, I want this movement to fuck off.

I won't attack them, live and let live. Maybe the weirdo drag queens obsessed with our kids but the rest of them- fuck 'em. They'll be extinct in a generation or two anyway.

 

[Islam Imamate]

@Khabib Khanate is very level headed on this particular topic. Used to body people ITT who were pushing this on kids.

I don’t see where just calling trans out for what it is has to be such a problem.

Biological Men or Women with a psychological condition which makes them believe they are, and should be classified as, the opposite of their biological selves.

I’m sympathetic to anyone who suffers from such an affliction, but feel it’s wrong to be compelled to participate in their delusions and it’s egregiously wrong to both normalize such a condition and push it into the minds of children.

Sometimes affirming people's delusions isn't wrong, in fact it might be the right thing to do. The best example of this I have read is the hairdryer story. Long story short, a woman has a pathological fear that her hair dryer will burn her house down and because of this she rarely stays out of the house for long, constantly going back to check on the hair dyer, and this basically ruins her work and social life. She went to many different therapists and tried many different approaches and none worked until she met a therapist who asked, "have you tried taking the dryer with you?"

This basically gave her her life back. She still had the delusion and paranoia that her hair dryer would burn her house down, she would just feel relieved once she remember she was carrying it in her bag or in her car.

The transgender issue is a bit more complicated no doubt, the surgeries and hormone treatment are more invasive and less reversible than carrying around a hair dryer and hence why on the issue of transitioning kids I am much more conservative. But for many transgender folks, their transition comes with better life outcomes. Of course when I use the term "woman", the vast, vast majority of the time I am referring to adult human females. But transgender folks are an edge case that I am okay with acknowledging as women. At the end of the day if I do run into a transwoman, I doubt it'll be in any capacity where her chromosomes or genitals are going to be relevant so treating her as a woman is little to no hassle for me and a big benefit to her.

I won't attack them, live and let live. Maybe the weirdo drag queens obsessed with our kids but the rest of them- fuck 'em. They'll be extinct in a generation or two anyway.

There are references to transfolks in the Kama Sutra, something tells me they're not going anywhere.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

I don't have to agree with them to avoid writing them off as a troll.

You're kind of proving my point here, anyone you disagree with you see as a troll without any effort to try to understand the disagreement.

I’m not dismissing everyone I disagree with as a troll. Let’s take you for example. People like you are much worse.
And denying that there are not biological differences between sexes is not “differing opinions “ it is denying reality and science.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I’m not dismissing everyone I disagree with as a troll. Let’s take you for example. People like you are much worse.
And denying that there are not biological differences between sexes is not “differing opinions “ it is denying reality and science.

I don't think anyone ITT has said there there's no difference between the biological sexes, I would fully expect the average MtF could kick the crap out of the average FtM. Just imagine Caitlyn Jenner vs Elliot Page, just looked them up and Jenner is over a foot taller than Page. That's the difference in biological sex right there. So on the issue of sports where such things matter then sure self identification is not enough.

But if some dude wants to wear a dress and my referring to him with she/her makes that person less likely to kill themselves, then yeah I'm just going to play along there.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Sometimes affirming people's delusions isn't wrong, in fact it might be the right thing to do. The best example of this I have read is the hairdryer story. Long story short, a woman has a pathological fear that her hair dryer will burn her house down and because of this she rarely stays out of the house for long, constantly going back to check on the hair dyer, and this basically ruins her work and social life. She went to many different therapists and tried many different approaches and none worked until she met a therapist who asked, "have you tried taking the dryer with you?"

This basically gave her her life back. She still had the delusion and paranoia that her hair dryer would burn her house down, she would just feel relieved once she remember she was carrying it in her bag or in her car.

The transgender issue is a bit more complicated no doubt, the surgeries and hormone treatment are more invasive and less reversible than carrying around a hair dryer and hence why on the issue of transitioning kids I am much more conservative. But for many transgender folks, their transition comes with better life outcomes. Of course when I use the term "woman", the vast, vast majority of the time I am referring to adult human females. But transgender folks are an edge case that I am okay with acknowledging as women. At the end of the day if I do run into a transwoman, I doubt it'll be in any capacity where her chromosomes or genitals are going to be relevant so treating her as a woman is little to no hassle for me and a big benefit to her.

There are references to transfolks in the Kama Sutra, something tells me they're not going anywhere.

I meant that I don’t want to be compelled to affirm the delusions. I am a live and let live kind of person most of the time. But, the insanity of “TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN” arguments just totally throw me in the opposite direction. It’s moving as such a breakneck pace as to be teaching it in schools as normal — I can’t support that.

 

[Seano]

There are references to transfolks in the Kama Sutra, something tells me they're not going anywhere.

This trend will die and it will be like it was 30 years ago. A few here and there.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

I won't attack them, live and let live. Maybe the weirdo drag queens obsessed with our kids but the rest of them- fuck 'em. They'll be extinct in a generation or two anyway.

same. I will not attack them but I will oppose shit like you described above or letting men who identify as women into female prisons, and of course female sports

 

[Islam Imamate]

I meant that I don’t want to be compelled to affirm the delusions. I am a live and let live kind of person most of the time. But, the insanity of “TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN” arguments just totally throw me in the opposite direction. It’s moving as such a breakneck pace as to be teaching it in schools as normal — I can’t support that.

Well part of the problem is that a contingent of radical progressives are using the trans-rights movement as a Trojan Horse for their subversive ideas on gender. No wonder then that people like you are turned off by that, certainly I don't care for that part of it myself. But lots of transfolks aren't on board with that either, they're perfectly happy with the gender binary and just want to be on the other side of it. In fact, lots of transfolks hate these progressives and how much they've centered the issue because it puts transfolks in the spotlight which they're not exactly comfortable with. At the end of the day they prefer not to be noticed, that's kind of the point.

 

[So Fresh]

What we always did. Ignore them. Stop giving them a platform. Stop letting them dictate literally anything to us.

So basically treat them as second class humans?

 

[Seano]

So basically treat them as second class humans?

If we're talking about the loud element of the movement that wants to dictate language, reality and invade my kids lives? Yes.
There are issues in this country that matter more than this clownish trend.

 

[deviake]

Do we tolerate these people? I honestly think society is far better off without them. They add or contribute nothing positive to society.

Apply this statement to literally any other group of people. Do you understand the implications of what you're saying?

They'll be extinct in a generation or two anyway.

They won't. There was something tantamount to a transgender affirmation clinic in Germany in the 30s. It was destroyed with the rise of Hitler. How much further back trans goes I'm not sure but it's anything but new.

 

[Bojka]

No one else does either. If there's an actual scientific dispute, you want to be very sure all involved parties are talking about the same terms, and the dispute is going to be over the nature of objective reality. The very last thing you're going to want to do is argue about word usage.



Many people at the "top political positions" prefer to be as rude as you are. That's really what the dispute is about. Is it good to try to make people who have unusual presentation preferences feel bad or should we just be respectful of everyone that isn't hurting anyone else? Regular WR readers certainly know where you generally stand on the issue of how much respect to show people in your outgroup!

Except I find it disrespectful to compel me to say something I don't believe. And it isn't like the left will just let you skirt around it and avoid using pronouns altogether.

 

[Seano]

Apply this statement to literally any other group of people. Do you understand the implications of what you're saying?



They won't. There was something tantamount to a transgender affirmation clinic in Germany in the 30s. It was destroyed with the rise of Hitler. How much further back trans goes I'm not sure but it's anything but new.

I'm aware there have always been men who want to be women. I'm talking about how trendy it is today. Something new will come along. Trans people will go back to being a few people no one cares one way or the other about, as its always been.

 

[deviake]

I'm aware there have always been men who want to be women. I'm talking about how trendy it is today. Something new will come along. Trans people will go back to being a few people no one cares one way or the other about, as its always been.

There does seem to be a trendiness to it to some degree, especially if you follow social media (neo bronouns and all that), but I think that's a microcosm of reality and I think people overly worried about that are more often than not chronically online.

It's just the first time in our society where it's really been openly talked about so it's being explored more. I don't claim to speak for them but my general impression is that transpeople would like people to not care, they just want acceptance, as everyone does. All the transpeople I know and work with are cool, they're not nefarious actors trying to... whatever people think. They're just living their lives.

 

[So Fresh]

If we're talking about the loud element of the movement that wants to dictate language, reality and invade my kids lives? Yes.
There are issues in this country that matter more than this clownish trend.

Like basic human rights?

 

[Seano]

Like basic human rights?

You can call it what you want, there's no need to trolling me into saying anything. I've been honest about my thoughts on the topic. I don't support the exploitation of mentally ill people and social outcasts for political gain and thats all this movement is.
Also, I never cared until these weirdos decided children needed to be involved.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

You can call it what you want, there's no need to trolling me into saying anything. I've been honest about my thoughts on the topic. I don't support the exploitation of mentally ill people and social outcasts for political gain and thats all this movement is.
Also, I never cared until these weirdos decided children needed to be involved.

It’s amazing that more don’t understand this, especially when children are at stake or put in potential danger

 

[IamStryker]

Like basic human rights?

Name a basic human right that they dont have.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Name a basic human right that they dont have.

"The right to be liked and respected".

None of us have that right.

Okay, being assaulted or targeted is a different thing but that also falls under a crime being committed.

But just being respected. For what? For what exactly? Nobody has that right.

Douglas Murray made a great observation on this in terms of gay people. The war has been won. Gay couples in most western countries have the same rights as heterosexual couples.

But the youngsters subconsciously feel like they didn't "contribute" to the war. So they're seeking victimhood that no longer exists because they don't want to feel "privileged". The older gay lads had to actually battle for equal rights sometimes bloodily. The youngsters have been taught that victimhood is a must, so they're still claiming victimhood when it legally doesn't exist ........outside of being "liked". Unfortunately, not everyone is gonna like you in life. Its a fact of life. If you're being physically attacked or legally discriminated against, fine. Pursue it.

But ultimately, outside of homophobic assault which will sadly always happen because eliminating bad people is an impossible task.....