Opinion Transgender Megathread V1.

[Hollywood Jack]

lol... Can it. Love how most of the mods are partisian blue hacks now. Try educating yourself before spewing garbage. It took three tries to iron out issues. Y'all going to add more "words" to the auto-yellow list?

After 3 Tries, Veterans Toxic Exposure Bill -- the PACT Act -- Finally Passes US Senate
https://www.military.com/daily-news...e-bill-pact-act-finally-passes-us-senate.html

The move followed several days of negotiations between Senate Democrats and Republicans that resulted in three lawmakers offering amendments, on topics that included how to pay for the legislation and protect the Department of Veterans Affairs' private health care program from becoming overwhelmed by an influx of new patients.

Ultimately, the measure sailed past the 60 votes required to pass the bill.

The bill had already passed the Senate in June on an 84-14 vote, appearing to put it on a glide path to becoming law. But shortly after the Senate vote, House lawmakers discovered language that ran afoul of the Constitution's requirement that tax-related issues originate in the lower chamber. The problematic section would have provided a tax incentive to entice health care workers to move to rural VA facilities.

The House then passed a version of the bill without the tax language in a 342-88 vote earlier this month, kicking it back to the Senate; that vote failed.

But the third time was the charm.

I think you owe @IamStryker an apology... lol.

Great source you've got there. LOL at owing him an apology. The victim complex that some of you snowflakes have is incredible. Did I call his mother the c-word or something? I doubt Stryker feels like I owe him an apology. We were engaging in normal discourse for this forum, more politely than it often goes. Sorry for having a different opinion. Please forgive me!

 

[IamStryker]

Not sure how people think they have the right to tell other people what they are or are not. I think it is a Christian thing. Like they want to tell you how you are supposed to live as well

Reality is not up for debate. If you say you are a cat you are simply wrong.

 

[S Class]

Regardless of where one falls on the issue of whether to treat transgendered people with respect, this comment reflects a really wrong understanding of science. "I don't wanna cawl a transgender what they wanna be cawled" isn't a scientific position. If someone said that a transwoman was genetically identical to a ciswoman, that would be wrong, but no one actually says stuff like that. The whole thing is just a deliberate misunderstanding, which is a dishonest way of discussing something.

I'll call them a trans-woman if they want. I'm not going to view them as biologically-female though.

Science is very much involved because for many people, that is their basis for differentiating between, like you said, a cisfemale vs. a trans-woman, and may be a factor in how they talk about trans-women and the issues surrounding them. For example, some may say that it is OK to let a MtF trans-person to compete with biological females in sports, because in their opinion, the MtF transwoman is just as much of a woman as biological women. On the other hand, others disagree with that notion because they view the MtF transwoman as actually being a biological man who may or may not have undergone surgery and/or taken hormones to make himself look more female. To them, the trans-woman still has advantages that biological males inherently have over women, like physical strength.

Just my two cents.

 

[Via Heeto]

Reality is not up for debate. If you say you are a cat you are simply wrong.

Whose "reality?" again, you are imposing your criteria on someone else. If their reality say they are a girl, then they are a girl

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Whose "reality?" again, you are imposing your criteria on someone else. If their reality say they are a girl, then they are a girl

so it works both ways is what you're saying?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'll call them a trans-woman if they want. I'm not going to view them as biologically-female though.

No one else does either. If there's an actual scientific dispute, you want to be very sure all involved parties are talking about the same terms, and the dispute is going to be over the nature of objective reality. The very last thing you're going to want to do is argue about word usage.

Agreed. It wouldn’t be that way if the people at the top political positions would just stop saying “trans women are women”. They could just say “Men who want to be called women”.

Many people at the "top political positions" prefer to be as rude as you are. That's really what the dispute is about. Is it good to try to make people who have unusual presentation preferences feel bad or should we just be respectful of everyone that isn't hurting anyone else? Regular WR readers certainly know where you generally stand on the issue of how much respect to show people in your outgroup!

 

[IamStryker]

Whose "reality?" again, you are imposing your criteria on someone else. If their reality say they are a girl, then they are a girl

Are you suggesting objective reality doesnt exist? If a white guy wants to be recognized as a black guy are you going to affirm him? If an anorexic wants to be recognized as overweight are you going to affirm her?

 

[IamStryker]

No one else does either. If there's an actual scientific dispute, you want to be very sure all involved parties are talking about the same terms, and the dispute is going to be over the nature of objective reality. The very last thing you're going to want to do is argue about word usage.



Many people at the "top political positions" prefer to be as rude as you are. That's really what the dispute is about. Is it good to try to make people who have unusual presentation preferences feel bad or should we just be respectful of everyone that isn't hurting anyone else? Regular WR readers certainly know where you generally stand on the issue of how much respect to show people in your outgroup!

Total nonsense. The entire issue is this is hurting people. Especially the most vulnerable which is children.

 

[Eusung]

Are you suggesting objective reality doesnt exist? If a white guy wants to be recognized as a black guy are you going to affirm him? If an anorexic wants to be recognized as overweight are you going to affirm her?

He has to be parodying people like the gender affirming therapist from "What is a Woman?". In his mind, he's as witty as Ali G.

Or maybe he really is that crazy. Hard to tell these days.

 

[Rob Battisti]

No one else does either. If there's an actual scientific dispute, you want to be very sure all involved parties are talking about the same terms, and the dispute is going to be over the nature of objective reality. The very last thing you're going to want to do is argue about word usage.



Many people at the "top political positions" prefer to be as rude as you are. That's really what the dispute is about. Is it good to try to make people who have unusual presentation preferences feel bad or should we just be respectful of everyone that isn't hurting anyone else? Regular WR readers certainly know where you generally stand on the issue of how much respect to show people in your outgroup!

What did I say that was wrong? I just said what you said. Biological men who have a psychological condition which makes them feel as if they aren’t men and wish to be called women. That’s exactly the same thing as what you said stated more plainly.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

No one else does either. If there's an actual scientific dispute, you want to be very sure all involved parties are talking about the same terms, and the dispute is going to be over the nature of objective reality. The very last thing you're going to want to do is argue about word usage.



Many people at the "top political positions" prefer to be as rude as you are. That's really what the dispute is about. Is it good to try to make people who have unusual presentation preferences feel bad or should we just be respectful of everyone that isn't hurting anyone else? Regular WR readers certainly know where you generally stand on the issue of how much respect to show people in your outgroup!

the objective reality is, is that a woman is a woman and a man is a man. XY, XX chromosomal make up. These are biological facts and objective reality

and don’t twist this into people “being mean” . People are challenging these ideologies because they harm children

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

Are you suggesting objective reality doesnt exist? If a white guy wants to be recognized as a black guy are you going to affirm him? If an anorexic wants to be recognized as overweight are you going to affirm her?

Anyone surprised that this guy fled the thread?

 

[Eusung]

Girl wearing a mask says in response to women in prisons being raped because of this lunacy:

"Well....there's already a lot of problems in the system anyway". ..seriously wtf is wrong with these people?

It's like if I was trying to defend a policy was allowing people to get away with violence in Chicago: "Well that city is already dangerous anyways"

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

Girl wearing a mask says in response to women in prisons being raped because of this lunacy:

"Well....there's already a lot of violence in the prisons anyways". ..seriously wtf is wrong with these people?

It's like if I was trying to defend a policy was allowing people to get away with violence in Chicago: "Well that city is already dangerous anyways"

Leftist “logic”

 

[Via Heeto]

No one else does either. If there's an actual scientific dispute, you want to be very sure all involved parties are talking about the same terms, and the dispute is going to be over the nature of objective reality. The very last thing you're going to want to do is argue about word usage.



Many people at the "top political positions" prefer to be as rude as you are. That's really what the dispute is about. Is it good to try to make people who have unusual presentation preferences feel bad or should we just be respectful of everyone that isn't hurting anyone else? Regular WR readers certainly know where you generally stand on the issue of how much respect to show people in your outgroup!

/thread

 

[IamStryker]

/thread

That nonsense? Lol

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

That nonsense? Lol

Clearly a troll

 

[Bald1]

Clearly a troll

Unpossible! Trolling isn't allowed in the WR.

 

[KeithHackneyballpunch]

Unpossible! Trolling isn't allowed in the WR.

queenb, sofresh and this clown say otherwise.

 

[Bald1]

queenb, sofresh and this clown say otherwise.

Agreed. I was just being an arse. That happens from time to time.