Law Trans surgery on kids is now banned.

[Ares Black]

I just like beating you verbaly and proving my points. Nothing more.

You have done nothing of the sort

 

[Ares Black]

The whole transgender thing is transgender demanding to be called the opposite sex. And preaching that to kids that are too young to fully understand.

Again, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about

 

[Trabaho]

Incorrect

Fashion is a tiny part of gender expression.

How does one dress "like a woman" if woman is not a gender?

What is the difference between

1) Female gender

2) Female sex

 

[Ares Black]

What is the difference between

1) Female gender

A social construct

2) Female sex

A biological descriptor

 

[shockaholic12]

I just like beating you verbaly and proving my points. Nothing more.

My experience is you come in, post some incoherent takes in broken English, people point out they are gibberish so you claim so what you don’t care about the thread you’re in, and then you come back two days later because you lied and do care

 

[Hog-train]

You have to answer my question first.

You’re saying sex and gender are different?

I would say gender expression (not gender) is different from sex.

For most of English language, gender and sex meant the same thing. It's only in recent history that activists and people like you who have tried to twist the definition of words.

Now my question: what bathroom should nonbinary people go to?

 

[Ares Black]

I would say gender expression (not gender) is different from sex.

That's because you don't actually know what you are talking about

For most of English language, gender and sex meant the same thing.

Not really. Gender was mostly used the describe grammar, not people.

It's only in recent history that activists and people like you who have tried to twist the definition of words.

To better describe the world as it is. So now we understand the world better than you do, because you stubbornly refuse to learn anything.

Now my question: what bathroom should nonbinary people go to?

Whichever one they fucking want.

 

[Trabaho]

A social construct

A biological descriptor

can you change your sex ?

My experience is you come in, post some incoherent takes in broken English,

my english is top shelf

people point out they are gibberish

only you and Ares who disagree with everyone not pro trans on every post. I didn't realise you two count as people.

so you claim so what you don’t care about the thread you’re in, and then you come back two days later because you lied and do care

I post in a bunch of threads with no real interest. You think 90% of other threads I posted in were important.

That's because you don't actually know what you are talking about

Wow a new one

Whichever one they fucking want.

This guy wants grown non binary man to use the same bathroom as little girls.

 

[Trabaho]

The word sex and gender exist in english since the 13th century and meant the same. The word gender meaning something else apeared in the mid 19th century.

So sex is what you are

Gender is what you would like to be

 

[Ares Black]

can you change your sex ?

That really depends on what you mean. You can't change your chromosomes but you can change just about everything else.

Biological sex isn't the most important defining characteristic of a person. All by itself it means very little.

my english is top shelf

It's passable.

only you and Ares who disagree with everyone not pro trans on every post.

That's because they are wrong. If they were right I would agree with it.

I didn't realise you two count as people.

Hmm. A dehumanizing comment from bigot. Shocking.

I post in a bunch of threads with no real instest. You think 90% of other threads I posted in were important.

You need a hobby.

This guy wants grown non binary man to use the same bathroom as little girls.

I want people to use whatever bathroom is most appropriate for them.

In a perfect world all public bathrooms would be gender neutral.

 

[lsa]

Cultures around the world also had alcoholics and thieves. Doesn't mean it's good to drink every day and steal.

are you claiming stealing is a part of culture?
That sounds racist.

 

[Ares Black]

The word sex and gender exist in english since the 13th century and meant the same. The word gender meaning something else apeared in the mid 19th century.

So sex is what you are

Gender is what you would like to be

No

Gender is what you are

 

[RoastBeast]

I never said only a doctor could assign anything. You did dummy. Any person can take on the task of categorizing things at birth by sex if they follow the scientific procedures society agreed upon for that category.

A newborn animal is not put into a human category system if it hasn’t encountered one. To animals it doesn’t matter at birth because the newborn can’t reproduce anyway. It and its parent may not even know or care or be able to know at birth until it develops.

You’re literally ask who scientifically classifies something if no human is around to classify it. The answer is no one dipshit lolz. Who classified the object in space no one discovered yet as a planet or not? No one because it hasn’t been found by a person yet ya derp.

This is more embarrassing then claiming female reindeer are male

whoever's job is it to classify them lol

Surely your argument isn't that you believe the left thinks doctors are manipulating gene pools to determine the sex of people.

We determine sex based upon a number of broadly agreed upon factors that vary on the species. For example, clownfish and seahorses have different definitions of sex than humans.

That's why we classify sex vs other characteristics

The simple point that is going over both your head's is that a doctor doesn't "assign" sex. A doctor merely notices the sex that nature gave the newborn. The notion that doctors assign sex at birth is outright ridiculous. If you take part in the "assigned sex at birth" nonsense, then you're a clown. No one is assigning sex other than nature. No doctor or human is necessary for sex to be assigned. Sex is built and designed by nature and we can only take notice of it but we absolutely don't assign it.

If a doe is an adult female deer and a woman is an adult female human, then neither can ever be a buck, nor a man. It's really that simple. If you need to play word games or bring up the small percentage of intersex people to grasp at straws, then you've lost the debate. Gender and sex are tied together and always have been.

Shock, if a deer is born female and no human is around to classify the deer, it's still a female deer. Things exist in nature whether we are there to classify them or not. Stick to picking out a random type of deer and thinking you have some sort of gotcha moment while ignoring all other types of deer. That seems to be the only straw you can grasp at. What's funny is you seem to be more knowledgeable about caribou than you do males and females. Nature gave you eyes and instincts. Use them. By the end of this we will be able to help you differentiate between men and women. Lord knows what kind of awkward situations you've gotten yourself into up until this point.

 

[RoastBeast]

Women is a word for sex not gender.

You just admited to us that gender is fashion. If in 2026 women wear skirts make up long hair and you as man do that - you made a fashion choice, a style. So how do you make the claim you are a women based of style

You've got him by the balls to where he's grasping at straws again. A woman is an adult female. Has nothing to do with the way they dress. If gender is fashion, then a woman could be a woman in one country and a man in another country if her own country's clothing style was closer to what men wear in another country.

These guys are trying to conflate gender norms with gender itself. There are cultural norms that align with the behaviors of men and women in each country. If your wife puts on your clothes and changes the oil on her car, that doesn't make her a man. Yet that's the argument these clowns are making. Until you call them on it of course. Then they switch gears immediately and move on to "why are you so obsessed?".

 

[shockaholic12]

The simple point that is going over both your head's is that a doctor doesn't "assign" sex. A doctor merely notices the sex that nature gave the newborn. The notion that doctors assign sex at birth is outright ridiculous. If you take part in the "assigned sex at birth" nonsense, then you're a clown. No one is assigning sex other than nature. No doctor or human is necessary for sex to be assigned. Sex is built and designed by nature and we can only take notice of it but we absolutely don't assign it.

If a doe is an adult female deer and a woman is an adult female human, then neither can ever be a buck, nor a man. It's really that simple. If you need to play word games or bring up the small percentage of intersex people to grasp at straws, then you've lost the debate. Gender and sex are tied together and always have been.

Shock, if a deer is born female and no human is around to classify the deer, it's still a female deer. Things exist in nature whether we are there to classify them or not. Stick to picking out a random type of deer and thinking you have some sort of gotcha moment while ignoring all other types of deer. That seems to be the only straw you can grasp at. What's funny is you seem to be more knowledgeable about caribou than you do males and females. Nature gave you eyes and instincts. Use them. By the end of this we will be able to help you differentiate between men and women. Lord knows what kind of awkward situations you've gotten yourself into up until this point.

Nature is not a being. It does not have an inherent all encompassing classification system were it takes groups of traits for all creatures and assigns it to language so it can divide things up when communicating it's thoughts with other members of a society.

In your scenario the doctor does not just observe. He observes, then considers what system society made up and the language it uses in that system to divide things up and assigns it to this socially constructed category because that's our social norm. that's more than observing.

No one where in nature is a nonhuman being assigning a baby deer to a human category when it's born. Just like no where in space is an undiscovered object categorized already. The fact science can and has changed the parameters of these categories over the course of history proves they don't exist in nature. They are social.

As far as animals are concerned young wouldn't need to be differentiated at birth, they can't breed so making distinctions of which ones you could breed with or couldn't is not an exercise they need to or may even have the ability to engage in.

You boasted you could easily tell the gender of an animal by sight then picked one where you couldn't for like ten million of them. Sorry that was fucking dumb dude that's one you and you still are salty about it which is even more funny.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

So happy this monstrosity perpetrated against children is dying.
Only the legit creeps are still supporting the tranny shit.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

Gender is how you identify. For some trans, that image includes changing how their body looks. For others it doesn’t.

If gender and sex were not different, why do more than half of trans folks not seek gender reassignment treatments? Hint: because it is different

if you're claiming that sex is a biological reality but that gender is separate and that it can't be measured, which makes it subjective, why must it be a burden on everyone else?

if you were forced to affirm someone's shit taste in music, wouldn't you be mad?

 

[shockaholic12]

I would say gender expression (not gender) is different from sex.

For most of English language, gender and sex meant the same thing. It's only in recent history that activists and people like you who have tried to twist the definition of words.

Now my question: what bathroom should nonbinary people go to?

"bu bu but...gender expression is not gender" this is gibberish.

So sex = gender and sex is just observing the chromosome pairing to you so gender = XX or XY just a biological descriptor.

What the fuck is gender expression to you? You're claiming XY chromosomes have social expression? Chromosomes don't express themselves socially with make up and dresses dipshit. Chromosomes express genetic information by transcribing DNA sequences into RNA. That's it. They don't know what lipstick is or what you think a woman looks like. They aren't dictating rules about what kind of fashion is considered feminine through their social apparatus.

Claiming things that exist inside a nucleus are concerning themselves with expressing in our society and this is a separate function from their biological ones is a new low can't see where you take us next.

They should use whatever bathroom they feel like that day. Maybe there are unisex ones like most places around me. Maybe not and they dressed more masculine that day so they use the mens room. None of it matters because if you can identify the sex of the person sharing a public bathroom with you, your eyes aren't where they should be.

 

[shockaholic12]

if you're claiming that sex is a biological reality but that gender is separate and that it can't be measured, which makes it subjective, why must it be a burden on everyone else?

if you were forced to affirm someone's shit taste in music, wouldn't you be mad?

It's not a burden. Recognizing gender is a social construct and people don't need to adhere to rigid antiquated beliefs around it doesn't cause me any discomfort.

Conservatives exist as group constantly trying to enforce their cultural standards on society as far as what is an isn't permissible here. Thus the dozens of laws aimed at fashion like drag etc. That's why you sometimes get attempts from the left at legislating this, because its a tactic long used against them.

I'll pose that question back to you, if gender is separate, why must we be burdened with adhering to conservative traditions around it that claim otherwise.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

It's not a burden. Recognizing gender is a social construct and people don't need to adhere to rigid antiquated beliefs around it doesn't cause me any discomfort.

Conservatives exist as group constantly trying to enforce standards on society as far as what is an isn't permissible here. Thus the dozens of laws aimed at fashion like drag etc. That's why you sometimes get attempts from the left at legislating this, because its a tactic long used against them.

I'll pose that question back to you, if gender is separate, why must we be burdened with adhering to conservative traditions around it that claim otherwise.

it is a burden. asking people to affirm something subjective is cruel punishment and can only exist in a totalitarian society.

i'll ask again, if gender is subjective and unmeasurable, how can it be forced onto other people's minds? it's no different than forcing someone to like a specific movie or a picasso painting.