Law Trans surgery on kids is now banned.

[kflo]

They are literally the same drugs that have been used to chemically castrate sex offenders for decades.

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist - Wikipedia

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Leuprorelin - Wikipedia

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Directly from the MAYO CLINIC:

Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

“Possible side effects of GnRH analogue treatment include:

• Swelling at the site of the shot.
• Weight gain.
• Hot flashes.
• Headaches.
• Mood changes.

Use of GnRH analogues also might have long-term effects on:

• Growth spurts.
• Bone growth.
• Bone density.
• Fertility, depending on when the medicine is started.

If individuals assigned male at birth begin using GnRH analogues early in puberty, they might not develop enough skin on the penis and scrotum to be able to have some types of gender-affirming surgeries later in life.”

Chemical castration - Wikipedia

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“Life-threatening side effects are rare, but some users show increases in body fat and reduced bone density, which increase long-term risk of cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis, respectively.”
“These drugs can also cause depression, hot flashes, infertility and anemia, aside from cardiovascular diseases and osteoporosis”

Thanks for letting me know there are “possible side effects”. Whereas you presented it as if the side effects are automatic for anyone who gets the treatment.

The Mayo Clinic also says:

Are the changes permanent?​

GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..


When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again.

And they are also the same drugs that safely treat precocious puberty. If you’re going to quote the uses……

 

[SKYNET]

never seen Benny Hill on pic or video.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Cudahy child denied gender-affirming care under Trump order; mother pushes back

A Cudahy mother said her child is being denied gender-affirming care after President Donald Trump signed an order stopping funding for medical treatment.

www.fox6now.com

Looking at the "mother," it's clear whose idea the whole trans thing is.

Am disappointed. Was expecting septum piercing and even more outrageous glasses. She just looks like a normal bull dyke.

 

[MDoza]

Thanks for letting me know there are “possible side effects”. Whereas you presented it as if the side effects are automatic for anyone who gets the treatment.

The Mayo Clinic also says:

Are the changes permanent?​

GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..


When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again.

That’s not an issue for you? That these kids are just “exploring” through use of hormonal medication that can cause immediate bone loss and possibly lead to osteoporosis that isn’t reversible, among other side effects. Particularly in MtF individuals, who, if they follow typical gender affirming care, will proceed from puberty blockers, to estrogen use.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2811155

Literally read any study on these meds and the first thing they mention is decrease in bone density, which isn’t always fully reversible, or would require other therapy to regain bone density. If you want to be willfully ignorant and not look into any of it, that’s fine though.

For children. Who aren’t even sure. And can’t even drive a car or get a job, or go on a field trip or watch R-rated movies without parental permission.

Turn 18 yo, and they can do whatever they want. But these kids are young and impressionable, and searching for a community and acceptance, and if they don’t find it through religion, they often turn to the LGBT ideology because it’s the only secular community available that preaches acceptance and love of everyone.

A lot of these kids aren’t even truly trans, with long term counseling that results in diagnosed gender dysphoria. They are just going and finding an “ally” doctor that is eager to fast track their transition and collect the dollars. Many are simply porn sick, or homosexual, and they realize that dressing like a girl will earn them acceptance and attract men, or let them gain access to female groups.

If you tell a young boy, they can act like a girl, then they’d be able to go to week long overnight camps with girls scouts, and share locker rooms and bunks with girls.. many will consider it, because young boys are fascinated with the world of girls spaces that they aren’t allowed in. It’s not surprising that so many MTF individuals identify as “lesbian”.

Children are also incredibly prone to penis/vagina envy. The grass always looks greener on the other side. And now they tell kids “oh you can be that sex if you want!”.

You can read between the lines of a lot of the studies, and they try their hardest to downplay negative side effects and outcomes, because for the past few years, anything not trans-positive was taboo.

A researcher recently even DIDNT PUBLISH her study, because the results were not in line with the message she wanted to send. I’ll have to find that story for you.

 

[cincymma79]

The Mayo Clinic doesn’t know it yet. Neither does the Cleveland clinic. Most of the top healthcare facilities….

Well that’s just wrong
Mayo right now

Possible side effects of GnRH analogue treatment include:

• Swelling at the site of the shot.
• Weight gain.
• Hot flashes.
• Headaches.
• Mood changes.

Use of GnRH analogues also might have long-term effects on:

• Growth spurts.
• Bone growth.
• Bone density.
• Fertility, depending on when the medicine is started.

Let me guess somewhere some kid might not experience this?

 

[kflo]

Well that’s just wrong
Mayo right now

Possible side effects of GnRH analogue treatment include:

• Swelling at the site of the shot.
• Weight gain.
• Hot flashes.
• Headaches.
• Mood changes.

Use of GnRH analogues also might have long-term effects on:

• Growth spurts.
• Bone growth.
• Bone density.
• Fertility, depending on when the medicine is started.

Let me guess somewhere some kid might not experience this?

I also quoted the Mayo Clinic above. Take a look.

And yes, somewhere some kid won’t experience this. So, it’s a weighing of possible benefits against possible negatives, no? Fully informed.

 

[MDoza]

Thanks for letting me know there are “possible side effects”. Whereas you presented it as if the side effects are automatic for anyone who gets the treatment.

The Mayo Clinic also says:

Are the changes permanent?​

GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..


When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again.

And they are also the same drugs that safely treat precocious puberty. If you’re going to quote the uses……

Aforementioned paper that didn’t get published because it wasn’t trans positive enough:

Woke doc refused to publish $10 million trans kids study that showed puberty blockers didn’t help mental health

Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy said she believes the study would be “weaponized” by critics of transgender care for kids, and that the research could one day be used in court to argue &#8220…

nypost.com

Any reasonable doctor would want their study published for the good of the medical community, so doctors can make informed decisions. Except if the study says “maybe this isn’t helping trans people”

9 year $10 million dollar study, concluded puberty blockers aren’t having positive effect on long term mental health of trans individuals. Won’t publish.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I've always wondered how people actually compare sensitivity between circumcised and non-circumcised people. My own experience is that it's as sensitive or non-sensitive as you make it - if you only use a death grip, for example, yeah, it's going to be hard to respond to anything else no matter how much extra skin you have on there. Same with women and high-powered toys; eventually you're going to make it so that your body doesn't respond to anything but that. But you can also learn and train yourself to respond to more or less or different kinds of stimulation, too.

i assume it's the same as any other type of scar tissue.

 

[cincymma79]

I also quoted the Mayo Clinic above. Take a look.

And yes, somewhere some kid won’t experience this. So, it’s a weighing of possible benefits against possible negatives, no? Fully informed.

An 11 year old

Ok buddy

Can’t get a tattoo but we can cut their dicks off and delay (my add) their puberty, ok so it’s actually just skipping that part of puberty and starting after you stop the drugs. So they miss out ok that development permanently. Great job.

 

[kflo]

Aforementioned paper that didn’t get published because it wasn’t trans positive enough:

Woke doc refused to publish $10 million trans kids study that showed puberty blockers didn’t help mental health

Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy said she believes the study would be “weaponized” by critics of transgender care for kids, and that the research could one day be used in court to argue &#8220…

nypost.com

Any reasonable doctor would want their study published for the good of the medical community, so doctors can make informed decisions. Except if the study says “maybe this isn’t helping trans people”

9 year $10 million dollar study, concluded puberty blockers aren’t having positive effect on long term mental health of trans individuals. Won’t publish.

How is that a response to anything I’ve said?

And get this - doctors and other healthcare professionals no longer have the ability to make decisions on this anymore. Because of politicians. Not doctors. Maybe that’s why…..

 

[kflo]

An 11 year old

Ok buddy

Can’t get a tattoo but we can cut their dicks off and delay (my add) their puberty, ok so it’s actually just skipping that part of puberty and starting after you stop the drugs. So they miss out ok that development permanently. Great job.

No, you can’t cut their dick off. That’s pretty different than delaying puberty.

This is for a small percentage of people who may benefit from waiting to make the more permanent choices.

Can you at least acknowledge that for someone who ultimately transitions (who truly benefits from transitioning), that not going through puberty can make a big difference?

 

[MDoza]

How is that a response to anything I’ve said?

And get this - doctors and other healthcare professionals no longer have the ability to make decisions on this anymore. Because of politicians. Not doctors. Maybe that’s why…..

Its a response that shows you that, in the face of an actual long term study on the benefits of puberty blockers, performed by a medical professional that is an ally to the trans community, if the conclusion doesn’t fit their narrative, they will disregard the results. This is the medical community that you have so much faith in. You realize that these people make money off of this, right?

Nice how you skipped over my last reply, that provided a paper that directly studied bone loss in trans patients that end up using estrogen.. which concluded that it would have long term impacts on bone density.

You realize that medical professionals also wanted to perform lobotomies on mentally ill patients for decades, until governments around the world banned it?

Maybe the government is being informed by doctors who have actually read the studies I’ve mentioned, and they’ve reached the fairly obvious conclusion that these treatments come with short and long term side effects, and don’t even result in increased mental wellbeing for the patients, so MAYBE just MAYBE we should not do them until there is more evidence to indicate that they are beneficial and not permanently harming the development of children across the country.

 

[sanguinius]

Nobody benefits from chopping their cocks off or getting put on chemical castration medications. Nobody except the doctors who get paid.

 

[kflo]

Its a response that shows you that, in the face of an actual long term study on the benefits of puberty blockers, performed by a medical professional that is an ally to the trans community, if the conclusion doesn’t fit their narrative, they will disregard the results. This is the medical community that you have so much faith in. You realize that these people make money off of this, right?

Nice how you skipped over my last reply, that provided a paper that directly studied bone loss in trans patients that end up using estrogen.. which concluded that it would have long term impacts on bone density.

You realize that medical professionals also wanted to perform lobotomies on mentally ill patients for decades, until governments around the world banned it?

Maybe the government is being informed by doctors who have actually read the studies I’ve mentioned, and they’ve reached the fairly obvious conclusion that these treatments come with short and long term side effects, and don’t even result in increased mental wellbeing for the patients, so MAYBE just MAYBE we should not do them until there is more evidence to indicate that they are beneficial and not permanently harming the development of children across the country.

Dude. I objected to you implying that all of those negatives are automatic. We both know that’s not true. That’s all.

 

[Hog-train]

Thanks for letting me know there are “possible side effects”. Whereas you presented it as if the side effects are automatic for anyone who gets the treatment.

The Mayo Clinic also says:

Are the changes permanent?​

GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..

In addition to the possible side effects of puberty blockers alone:

98% of kids put on puberty blockers end up taking cross sex hormones (which absolutely have permanent side effects.) Multiple studies from different countries show this.

So essentially, a kid taking puberty blockers is being put on a pipeline of a PERMANENT sex change at ages 9-12.

The whole "puberty blockers just give time for kids to decide" is a horseshit argument. KID'S DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE THIS. It's the retarded adult's around them that are influencing this.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/26/1131398960/gender-affirming-care-trans-puberty-suppression-teens#:~:text=Hourly%20News-,Study%3A%20Most%20teens%20who%20start%20puberty%20suppression%20continue%20gender%2Daffirming,to%20continue%20gender%2Daffirming%20treatment.

https://statsforgender.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Puberty-blockers-are-more-than-a-pause-button-roughly-98-of-children-who-take-them-go-on-to-take-cross-sex-hormones.pdf

 

[MDoza]

Dude. I objected to you implying that all of those negatives are automatic. We both know that’s not true. That’s all.

Just so we’re clear.. now that I’ve presented my evidence..

You’re advocating giving children drugs that are proven to cause harmful side effects to a statistically significant number of the children, when based on recent studies, there is no statistically significant improvement in mental health resulting from the treatment..?

Do you just hate kids? I mean, I do too, but I wouldn’t want to hurt them like that.