Top 4: Topuria, Makhachev, Shavkat, Jones

[kingmob6]

We got to have a dude from Bamtamweight right? That's the toughest division in the sport.

 

[The Siege]

Crazy how Jones can strangle all 3 of them at the same time.

Jones bless

Accusing the GOAT of having murderous intent. Shame on you.

 

[orca]

They arent his wife and kids, they would fight back.

where not talking about jones personal life here


btw you can reply on how you think these guys can survive jones strangling them
by calling the police right?

 

[cade187]

You don’t get credit for wins based on assumptions. Leon > Shavkat. Shavkat might win if they fight, but Leon’s resume is 100 times better.

 

[HHJ]

Let's not be stupid here. Pereira is 6-1 in the best MMA org in the world. If his ground game sucks, why can't anyone take him out and beat him on the ground??? Blachowicz and Prochazka are bigger and have legit ground games.

Defensivley he has shown some real aptitude.

 

[Tokoloko]

Yeah, if you have low fight IQ, Pereira will make you pay.

Its not low fight iq, its simply overconfidence...last time when he failed like this it motivated him to train like a crazy and he went on 13 fights knockout streak.

....Pereira is very smart for declining rematch which was offered to him by Dana White because of bad stoppage in fight number 1. The problem is that he will not be able to decline it again if Jiri beats Rakič.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

where not talking about jones personal life here


btw you can reply on how you think these guys can survive jones strangling them
by calling the police right?

Why aren't we talking about Jon's personal life?

And yeah Shavkat Topuria and Islan would beat in a fight
3 of the best fighters righr now would smoke Jon at the same time

Of course.

Sure it's unfair but it's true.

 

[ILove4MinutesHyuna]

The most insane thing is that Jones is only 36 years old. It just feels like he should be so much older.

Its also crazy to think while basically being 29-0 all his legal fuck ups cost him a potential Mayweather type record.

From 2008-2013 In that 6 year span he had 20 fights

Between 2014-2023 that 10 year span he has only 9 fights.

 

[gentel]

I can’t understand the hate of Ankalaev. Dude just put away Johnny Walker like it’s nothing. He threw one illegal knee and he’s an idiot forever. And he did beat Jan.

Nope, it was a draw. Ank shouldn't have let Jan beat up his shins for 3 rounds uncontested and win those 3 rounds as a result. That was seriously low fight IQ

Jan had to persuade him to wrestle by kicking his legs so much Ank couldn't stand up and had to shoot takedowns out of desperation instead

 

[Laheys'Liquorland]

Goat Jones baby! I respect this thread.

 

[oski]

Jones>Islam>Dana's wife

 

[Dionysian]

This is what's known as wishful thinking. Pavlovich was supposed to be better than Jones, and ever since he got KOed everyone's forgotten that he even exists. Heck, in the poll before the Gane fight, most of Sherdog thought Gane was better than Jones too. We all know how that went.

Link to said poll?

Please don't tell me Sherdog was this clueless about the guy who looked like an utter white belt vs fellow kickboxer Francis / never fought a grappler in his entire professional careeer / was going against an elite grappler in Jon.

 

[NMcCauley]

Imagine saying that Aspinall is better than Jones<45><45><45><45>

 

[GrantB13]

P4P sucks.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Topuria, Makhachev, Shavkat, Jones.

These are the top 4 best p4p fighters in the world today.
(I would have included Pereira but his ground game sucks, and most people agree Shavkat > Leon)

What overlap in style do these guys have?
What can we learn from their skillset?

Eeeeeeeee

Recency bias be a bitch huh .. lol ..

 

[Gregoire1]

GOAT peak p4p - Jones without question.

Currently top-4 p4p - Topuria, Merab, Shavkat, Islam

 

[SkinnyClaw]

Shavkat based on what? His takedowns look very weak, and he's not the best striker in the division. I could see Leon stuffing his takedowns and piecing him up on the feet no problem. I don't think Jones deserves it either, we don't even know if he has any cardio at heavyweight or how his striking looks, he just took Gane down and subbed him, its not enough

 

[Lee Danger]

believe it or not, jan and jiri are not primarly grapplers. they are more reactionary (meaning they have training in it) but they aren't great offensively like setting it up, and executing from stand-up to getting the opponent to the bottom.

Ngannou used to have even less grappling skills than these two but still managed to wrestlefuck a pure kickboxer in Gane.

 

[Question]

Leon, Islam, Aspinall, Pantoja

Good shoutout for Pantoja

 

[Gamer2k4]

Link to said poll?

Please don't tell me Sherdog was this clueless about the guy who looked like an utter white belt vs fellow kickboxer Francis / never fought a grappler in his entire professional careeer / was going against an elite grappler in Jon.

What odds are you giving Jones/Gane? [Vote Now!]

We've been talking about this matchup for 2 months. So, simply put, what odds are you giving each to win? *Votes Aren't Public, so you can give your honest opinion without any reservations of later public mockery. *Voting ends just before the fight starts. *Aiming for 500 votes for the poll...

forums.sherdog.com

Poll results:

41% thought Jones would win. 45% thought Gane would win. 14% were undecided. That's nearly 60% of the respondents who weren't willing to say Jones would win.


And here are some quotes from people who voted for Gane, so you can see their mindset:

"I see very few reasons to favor Jones in this fight. Jones hasn't been effective at wrestling for years. Jones has also never had to take down and control someone who is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than he is. I don't see where Jones has a clear advantage other than fight IQ and mental toughness."

"Only chance for Jon Jones is if UFC let's him juice which i think they probably will because it's important for UFC to have at least 2 interesting fighters in HW. I think most depends on Gane though. If he remains calm and technical he will win. Jon Jones will gas extremely fast and will prbly be mediocre as he were in his last LHW-fights which he arguably lost so if Gane just calculates and not risking too much i think he wins safely."

"70% Gane because he’s a super legit HW that’s strong where Jon tries to win his fights more now (on the feet and distance control). I lack faith in Jones wrestling, age, time off etc…….. I’m imagining the Jones who wants a kickboxing sparring match to show up (the guy we seen in his last few fights). If I was convinced the old Jon might show up I might go 50/50 or 60/40 Jon."

"I said 70% Gane, Jones just hasn't fought in 3 years, moving up in weight and hasn't been his dominant self since the second Gus fight, to me he is past his prime and isn't as explosive as he once was"

In short, Jones's long layoff, poor recent showings, and tendency to wrestle less than he did in the past led a lot of people to see it going Gane's way. Now, of course, we all have that 20/20 hindsight.