To those who b**** out fighter pay and also illegally stream

[Street Bishop]

You realize your basic prelim fighter won't get a dime out of those ppv buys?

 

[SuperNerd]

I'm just going to divide the PPV pay 30 ways and paypal each fighter. Changing the world 2 dollars at a time.

 

[FrankDux]

Unionize is the only answer

I agree but it's hard to unionize when there's no unity among fighters in the UFC. It's a essentially a bunch of independent contractors that will never all come together. So the next best thing is either negotiate better to get more money or shop yourself out to a different organization that's willing to pay more.

 

[the_details]

Illegal streaming has literally zero baring on a fighters base salary. A dude who makes the 10k minimum will make 10k regardless if there is 1 person or 10 million paying the PPV. 90% of the roster don't have PPV points in their contracts.

And the minimum salary has been the same for about two decades despite the UFC revenue increasing drastically since that time. 20 years ago nobody watched the UFC yet the salary structure is nearly identical. What does that tell you

What? No, the salary structure has changed since the UFC's inception 20 years ago. The early UFC events were winner take all tournaments. Losers got nothing.

Also, I'm pretty sure the minimum pay in the UFC is 12k to show now, and we had a long history of guys making 2k or 5k. That isn't happening anymore, unless we are talking about Bellator. The only way this changes is if the competition starts paying better, or you get the government involved. And I wouldn't want the government involved, personally.

 

[BBMN]

Tell us more about the percentage of revenue that the UFC pays, and how it has (check notes), gone down from roughly 40% in 2003, to about 20% in 2021...

Also, I need your thoughts on how the UFC went from a valuation of 4 billion, to 7 billion, over the past few years. How exactly did they make all the money, while the illegal streamers destroyed the company's moneys?

It's almost like the UFC is raking in record amounts of cash, and undercutting their fighters, despite streamers....

So weird.

 

[spinup]

You do realize if you paid for streams then fighters will have more money in their pockets AND uncle Dana will get to keep his $500 million, produce artificial snow for his kids, and go on pawn stars and drop an entire roster’s worth of salaries on dilapidated metal.

Not how business works. Fighters pay is not linked to revenue, the UFC will always pay the fighters as little as the market allows them, and if PPV buys double, the extra cash is for shareholders except for a very small fraction that goes to some PPV main event fighters.

If you want to reward fighters you better watch free streams and use the money to suscribe to their onlyfans. As every Sherdogger does.

 

[Black Paladin]

Based on Dana White's and the UFC's PAST ACTIONS, it is NOT LIKELY that any additional streaming revenue would be passed down to the fighters. When the UFC made more money from their ESPN deal, for example, we had evidence of more partying/gambling from Dana, and paying of corporate debt at an accelerated rate. There was no evidence of ANY fighter pay increases as a direct result.

If someone wants to argue with me, find some examples that prove me wrong.

 

[PicoPulse]

You do realize if you paid for streams then fighters will have more money in their pockets AND uncle Dana will get to keep his $500 million, produce artificial snow for his kids, and go on pawn stars and drop an entire roster’s worth of salaries on dilapidated metal.

This isnt the days of Art "One Glove"Jimmerson and Tank Abbott the Company isnt in the same position and the fans already pay enough to warrant a different pay structure

 

[Tnellie30]

You do realize if you paid for streams then fighters will have more money in their pockets AND uncle Dana will get to keep his $500 million, produce artificial snow for his kids, and go on pawn stars and drop an entire roster’s worth of salaries on dilapidated metal.

Your understanding of how the world works is cute.

 

[Black Paladin]

Your understanding of how the world works is cute.

Reminds me of when I thought that they did presidential/congressional elections like student council and shit, where the top vote getters win. Then, we learned about the corrupt-ass/rigged-ass electoral college system.

"Son of a bitch!"--Ralphie, A Christmas Story

 

[Schaub]

Remember the pink goof talking about doing surveillance on a streamer? Like he had seal team six ready to capture him as soon as he started streaming.

 

[Black Paladin]

Remember the pink goof talking about doing surveillance on a streamer? Like he had seal team six ready to capture him as soon as he started streaming.

He instead needs to go Ghost Protocol on himself.

 

[Johnny_Knuckles]

Ts would appear to think that all or at least the majority of money involved in sport and entertainment is generated via ppv buys. Says it all really.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

If fighters don't like the pay...they don't have to sign contracts with the UFC. They can shop themselves out somewhere else (or negotiate better). It's that simple.

With all due respect, this is and always has been a terrible argument when discussing problems with the ways monopolies exploit workers.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

if they are managing to keep compensation below a threshold % of revenue, more revenue allows for higher compensation within their tolerances for profit margin.

So giving money to Dana benefits the fighters as much as giving the money directly to the fighters?

Dana's running a racket. And he has simps like you to thank.

 

[chinarice]

You do realize if you paid for streams then fighters will have more money in their pockets AND uncle Dana will get to keep his $500 million, produce artificial snow for his kids, and go on pawn stars and drop an entire roster’s worth of salaries on dilapidated metal.

You realize you're wrong, right?

The company is worth 10 billion dollars and went from 4 to 10 while not increasing minimum fighter pay.

Stop blaming us you complete shill.

 

[kflo]

So giving money to Dana benefits the fighters as much as giving the money directly to the fighters?

Dana's running a racket. And he has simps like you to thank.

who said giving money directly to the fighters wasn't better for the fighters? you think the fans who don't pay for ppv are writing checks to the fighters instead?.....

you're trying to start shit because you don't want to actually discuss the point.

it's funny guys like you think you're a change agent because you name call and think it's a good vs evil argument that's going to save the day.

 

[kenetics]

You do realize if you paid for streams then fighters will have more money in their pockets AND uncle Dana will get to keep his $500 million, produce artificial snow for his kids, and go on pawn stars and drop an entire roster’s worth of salaries on dilapidated metal.

Or Dana and the UFC will keep pocketing it..

 

[DizzyYeahYeah]

If you're a fan of MMA, you would want fighters to make more money.

I would like WNBA players to make more money but the revenue they generate prevents them from making more. UFC fighters don't have that problem. The UFC makes a lot and doesn't want to increase fighter pay. All UFC champs should be making $1 million/fight.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Is it okay if I bitch about fighter pay but only watch GIFs, though?