TKO via control; we need this rule.

[BigOlJeet]

Imagine Ben Askren being labeled a KO artist then.

 

[Adamant]

First off, I'm against standing fighters up for being unable to get up from bottom. You shouldn't reward someone's inability to get up from bottom.

Secondly, if the guy on bottom isn't doing anything (Lewis vs. Almeida), it should be called a TKO for the top guy.

Now, I think this has to literally mean doing nothing... like Lewis sleeping on bottom. The bottom guy basically has to be so exhausted, they aren't transitioning, they aren't trying to get up, and it should be over a long stretch of time like 30 seconds, and the ref. should give multiple warnings for them to move before the TKO stoppage comes.

I think this will solve issues of a lot of lay and prays, and force the bottom guy to take risks to get up or get finished.

No. Let them fight.

"TKO's" themselves shouldn't be a thing. KO, Sub, or Dec only. If he's still moving, if he's still awake, then he's still in the fight.

 

[whocares]

Anything that gives this forum more shit to bitch about is a bad idea.

 

[Weaponized]

On a scale of 1 -10. Where does this thread rank on the all time dumb threads list ?

 

[markantony20]

First off, I'm against standing fighters up for being unable to get up from bottom. You shouldn't reward someone's inability to get up from bottom.

Secondly, if the guy on bottom isn't doing anything (Lewis vs. Almeida), it should be called a TKO for the top guy.

Now, I think this has to literally mean doing nothing... like Lewis sleeping on bottom. The bottom guy basically has to be so exhausted, they aren't transitioning, they aren't trying to get up, and it should be over a long stretch of time like 30 seconds, and the ref. should give multiple warnings for them to move before the TKO stoppage comes.

I think this will solve issues of a lot of lay and prays, and force the bottom guy to take risks to get up or get finished.

Trolling used to be funny.

 

[fightfan70]

yellow cards

take away the pay

 

[Khaosan]

 

[goOb]

This would not be the 'ass rippin' kind of fight result that someone on here would like to see.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Goddard should've stepped in and stood them up at least once or twice during all that LnP. He kept telling Almeida to get busy, but never really did anything about it. I feel like there are waves in the UFC (probably due to consistent changes) that influence the refs to let them stay in the dominant position for a period of years, then it goes to stand them up after a minute of no activity, then back to let them LnP. Also there are some refs that are quick to stand up and others that just let the fight commence regardless of what's happening. But no, there should not ever be a TKO awarded due to top control... that will hurt the sport. Maybe time to start bringing in those yellow/red cards.

Standing someone up cuz the other person is pinned doesn't make sense.

 

[RonDante]

First off, I'm against standing fighters up for being unable to get up from bottom. You shouldn't reward someone's inability to get up from bottom.

Secondly, if the guy on bottom isn't doing anything (Lewis vs. Almeida), it should be called a TKO for the top guy.

Now, I think this has to literally mean doing nothing... like Lewis sleeping on bottom. The bottom guy basically has to be so exhausted, they aren't transitioning, they aren't trying to get up, and it should be over a long stretch of time like 30 seconds, and the ref. should give multiple warnings for them to move before the TKO stoppage comes.

I think this will solve issues of a lot of lay and prays, and force the bottom guy to take risks to get up or get finished.

What is the guy on top doing to bring an end to a fight? Is he trying to submit his opponent? Is he trying to make him tap to strikes? Make it so he isn’t able to intelligently defend himself? Put him out cold? No? Then no, the guy on bottom feeling like he doesn’t have to even attempt anything in order to stay out of danger shouldn’t lose then and there. And I think they should stand them up too if nothing is happening

 

[RonDante]

Standing someone up cuz the other person is pinned doesn't make sense.

Control time is only vaguely mentioned in the scoring criteria. Both effective striking and effective grappling is talked about in terms of attempting to bring an end to the fight. If someone isn’t attempting to finish the fight and is content to sit there and do nothing, it should be stood up

 

[MarleyLynx]

Control time is only vaguely mentioned in the scoring criteria. Both effective striking and effective grappling is talked about in terms of attempting to bring an end to the fight. If someone isn’t attempting to finish the fight and is content to sit there and do nothing, it should be stood up

So if a fighter is incapacitated, cannot move or stand up, cannot escape and is essentially being exhausted by his opponent you believe the proper thing the referee should do is give him standing neutral position?

No lmao This isn't Bloodsport. If it's stalling from Guard sure. Half guard - Maybe. Side control on - No.

 

[mjfan23]

Go watch ADCC or something else

 

[Clark Rogers]

So if the guy on top is just laying there doing nothing, he gets a win just because the guy on bottom also laid there.

Even aside from the fact that what constitutes "effort" will be more misinterpreted than the 12-6 elbow, I don't like it.

 

[ChimRichalds]

Absolutely not, and it would create more problems than it would be attempting to solve.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Almost all of Jon Finches opponents were active on the ground, so he'd never win via them falling asleep and not moving.

John Finches ... aware me who is John Finches?

Edit: dang, poll ain't really going the "we need this" route eh?

 

[DagOban**]

Less interference and power to the refs is what I say.

 

[RonDante]

So if a fighter is incapacitated, cannot move or stand up, cannot escape and is essentially being exhausted by his opponent you believe the proper thing the referee should do is give him standing neutral position?

No lmao This isn't Bloodsport. If it's stalling from Guard sure. Half guard - Maybe. Side control on - No.

If a fighter isn’t doing anything to his opponent it should be stood up. There’s no attempt to end the fight whatsoever

 

[Krimzon]

if holding a position doesn't win fights, i think both parties will be more active whatever position they're in.

Currently, the man on top can conserve energy and win simultaneously by accumulating controlling time

 

[xn7]

close vote. nothing like nothing being accomplished leading to a finish being called.