TKO via control; we need this rule.

Should we have TKOs via control if the guy being controlled is doing literally nothing?

  • Yes

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Wong_Irish said:
Burden should be on the bottom fighter to take risks. More often than not, fights stall themselves out on the ground because neither fighter wants to take a risk.

Top fighter doesn't want to risk control, and bottom fighter doesn't want to give up their back or get subbed. Put the burden on the bottom fighter to risk back takes and submissions to get up.
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Come on, that's ridiculous. Pay attention to the feedback you are getting in this thread.
 
I feel like there is a subliminal in the thread title.
 
Wong_Irish said:
Nah burden should be on losing fighter to take risks.

All sports have that fundamental rule. The person that is down has to make the riskier plays. The person that is winning should be allowed to be conservative to secure the win.

If you are losing, and you refuse to make the riskier play, then you just lose, that's how it should be.
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This is aneurysm inducing we're talking about professional fighting here we're not talking about the 4th quarter of a football game and a team is up and takes a knee and ends the game which is I always hated about football what the hell is that...
 
If someone mounts an opponent for 20+ minutes and can’t get a finish both should be DQ’d.

<Neil01>
 
Wong_Irish said:
Nah, top guy has a more advantageous position. All things being equal, the person who is scoring vs. the person who isn't should win.
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So the 4 corner offense in basketball with a 2 point lead and 6 minutes left in the game? No thanks.

Score a TD, pass guard, and hold position until the buzzer. sounds exciting entertaining fun like the UFC is dying.
 
The way I see it the mounted fighter is the attacking fighter and if the attacking fighter is not attacking from the mount via striking or submissions and it's just staying there to the point where the referee is warning him a four or five times then that's stalling he's in attacking position he's in the dominant position and is choosing to do nothing with it he made that position happen.. he didnt just end up in Mount so he got there and now is refusing to do anything at that point if he's not doing anything and the ref has warned him several times you should be stood up this is not BJJ this is professional fighting and we see this in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournaments all the time I've seen it in my own tournaments someone gets a dominated position and just parks their ass there for the rest of the time it's ridiculous...

Also plenty of times in martial arts the correct defense is to do nothing sometimes trying to move or trying to force a movement is exactly what your opponent wants and that's will get you submitted so making it illegal to stand still otherwise you'll be TKOed is basically saying you want the guy on the bottom to give up the submission to his opponent that's not fair
 
Wong_Irish said:
I need a solution for something like Lewis vs. Almeida never happening again. It was the weirdest shit ever. And between punishing Alemida or Lewis, I choose Lewis. He can't sleep on the ground, TKOed.
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You would've hated the Jon Fitch era
 
Interesting idea but no. We should appreciate more guys for surviving from bottom. Lewis had great defense this fight. It was Almeida who wasn't advancing the right way. GnP anyone?
 
Why should you get further rewarded for not being able to finish a guy you've got in a bad position? The bad position is supposed to make it easier. You're in full mount, tf you mean you can't KO or sub them?

If anything I'd punish you for sucking so much. I can't have that though so you can have your dominant score and exhaustion for having to fight longer than needed.

I prefer my KOs to actually involve KOs.
 
NO
 
Either standups or point deductions for stalling for minutes at a time. If you're trying to pass and advance position, fair enough. But just holding position isn't something that should be rewarded.
 
Wong_Irish said:
You think very little of fighters, if you think the bottom guy won't do anything to stop being the loser of a fight via control (unless they are death gassed, which it's pretty much over anyways at that point).
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If that is true,the fighter on top should finish him. The end of the fight is in his grasp. its up to him.
 
Wong_Irish said:
I don't think I would have seen someone literally do nothing until the Lewis vs. Alemida fight.

Derrick Lewis was literally in a coma or playing dead. That shit was weird, and he should have been finished cause of it.

How mad would people be if the ref in round 4 was like fuck this, Lewis is basically unconscious at this point. It's a tko.
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My friend, I don’t know to answer this respectfully and I don’t know if you’re trolling.

Have you ever grappled?

It’s not easy defending chokes and positions when someone is on top of you. Especially a ground ace like Almeida. Lewis never got submitted and defended well. And he wasn’t literally doing nothing. That word is so over used. Often used by teenagers on TikTok. Even the short hammerfists can hurt like hell and Lewis got plenty. It was a boring fight to watch, but I promise you, as a person who grapples, Lewis wasn’t literally doing nothing.
 
Kenny Powerth said:
My friend, I don’t know to answer this respectfully and I don’t know if you’re trolling.

Have you ever grappled?

It’s not easy defending chokes and positions when someone is on top of you. Especially a ground ace like Almeida. Lewis never got submitted and defended well. And he wasn’t literally doing nothing. That word is so over used. Often used by teenagers on TikTok. Even the short hammerfists can hurt like hell and Lewis got plenty. It was a boring fight to watch, but I promise you, as a person who grapples, Lewis wasn’t literally doing nothing.
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Lewis wasn't defending, and Alemida wasn't attacking. He was literally doing nothing. There was zero submission attempts or even a threat of a submission attempt from Alemida after round 2

Alemida literally stood up from mount. Stood up, and Lewis laid there, his arms wasn't even over his face to block punches.

Did you watch that fight? It doesn't sound like you did.

How many times did Alemida literally stand up from full mount and look down at him and Lewis laid on the ground with his arms to the side barely moving?

There were multiple moments of long extended durations where Lewis didn't even have his hands touching Alemida's body and was just laying his hands on the matt looking like he gave up waiting to be finished.
 
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