TJ is massively over rated, known and tested positive, and dirty training partner

[Superior]

I agree with all your points TS but he’s really grown on me since he joined the podcast.

He has a good mind for MMA.

 

[Mike]

He's just eliminated from goat convos, like everyone else that got caught juicing. It's a shame too, I was a big fan back in the day.

 

[fica]

I thought it was shitty to call Smith a quitter when TJ literally fucking juiced for probably most of his career. No one believes TJ only juiced for one fight, thats fucking retarded. Lance Armstrong never tested positive and beat hundreds of tests.

Then when he goes on about the psychology of certain fighters, when literally he is mentally weak for taking steroids because he knows he doesn't have mental fortitude to push himself like a guy like Dominick did without drugs. It goes to show he is is kind of sociopath because he is just projecting his own deep inner mental inferiority on to other fighters. Its all just a distraction to keep people not talking about his suspensions and blatant cheating. TJ literally took the 2 year suspension and got multiple surgeries in that time span.

Dude is also 180 pounds now leaner and more muscular than when he was fighting. He definitely understands drug pharmacology and is one of the very few fighters to test positive for EPO. He understands it at greater level then someone just doing a basic test cycle.

TJ would have never accomplished half of what he did if he didn't cheat. TJ was getting stopped by Dodson, couldn't even beat Assuncao then all of the sudden beats Barao twice, gets gyno, has multiple accusations of cheating, has some of his best performances then all of the sudden expects us to say he only did it once. Only an idiot would believe that, its TJ trying to preserve his legacy. Everything he does is calculated.


Cody Garbrandt famously said that TJ taught Team Alpha Male how to do steroids. Take that as you will, but it sounds plausible with his history.

His wins and record hasn't really held up. Watson, Lee, Tamura, Viana are all cans. They only got a chance because 135 was relatively weak and they needed to stock the division. Mike Easton, Joe Soto, John Lineker are middle tier fighters at best. Barao while at the time was a great win, doesn't look as impressive today after Baraos post title run where he lost the majority of the fights to gatekeepers at best.

His wins over Cody were great wins, but even Cody has looked average since then. His win over Cory was hardly impressive and his fight against Aljo was just a cash grab.

TJ is the last person who should be commenting on other's morality, integrity, heart when he is a fucking known cheater. It would be like if your friend was kicking your ass at a video game while he uses cheat codes, then talks shit to and says how much you suck and bullies you. Speaking of bullying, if this doesn't say it all.......



Literally sucker punching Takeru.

not to mention retiring Chris Holdsworth after getting tapped out and proceeds to knee Holdsworth to the top of his head giving him a concussion and then post concussion syndrome. Chris never fought since and this is 11 years ago. Chris said that TJ is definitely a cheater. Its not just one person saying it. He also held grudges and would always try to KO his partners whenever they got the best of him.

i just love this every fighter is dirty because he juiced all his career but JJ he is best even when we all inow he juiced as well his all career lol

 

[RockyLockridge]

all that and he's still the goat.

Crazy

 

[Danespina]

TJ was being accused of juicing by teammates even before he tested positive.

This was 2 years before the Cejudo fight.

3:57 to 5:31

 

[chinarice]

i just love this every fighter is dirty because he juiced all his career but JJ he is best even when we all inow he juiced as well his all career lol

More like every fighter in MMA gets more of a pass for juicing than TJ. It's actually wild.

There's dozens of MMA fighters that were near the top or at the top that have popped and don't get nearly the shit TJ does. Like oh noes, EPO! So much worse than taking all those other PEDs... lol

 

[cmw43]

All the top guys cheat just look at all the failed tests of guys like Anderson, Jones, Islam, T-City, Mendes, Overeem, Sonnen etc

It's the same in every major sport just most other big sports look the other way.

 

[Vehap1]

He only did EPO
Jones tested positive 3 times, once for Turinabol

TJ should get a free pass as the GOAT

 

[Vehap1]

All the top guys cheat just look at all the failed tests of guys like Anderson, Jones, Islam, T-City, Mendes, Overeem, Sonnen etc

It's the same in every major sport just most other big sports look the other way.

Islam? You little liar

Mendes took peptides
Jones turinabol

Comparing Peptides to Turinabol its the same as comparing weed and heroin
Obv there are levels to this but people are stupid so

 

[cmw43]

Islam? You little liar

Mendes took peptides
Jones turinabol

Comparing Peptides to Turinabol its the same as comparing weed and heroin
Obv there are levels to this but people are stupid so

Islam popped for Meldonium, same thing plenty of Olympians and tennis players banned for, it got swept under the carpet pretty quick with some BS about it being "heart medication" but you can find it with Google.

A bunch of Team Khabib guys have popped, RDA even trolled them out about it. Don't know why you presume I'd make it up?



Here's a quote on Mendes, you think this was just a small time offence?

"A war of words has erupted between former UFC middleweight champion Michael Bisping and former featherweight contender Chad Mendes. The two exchanged vitriolic barbs over Mendes's past use of and suspension for GHRP-6, a growth hormone release stimulator."

 

[randomg1t]

Calling him overrated is mentally retarded.

Thinking he cheated his whole career is certainly possible, but it happened the one time he moved to a lower weightclass. It's retarded for you to call those retarded who think he only roused once.

And yeah he was a shithead

he was called out by cody for 2 years before getting caught. and not just that he was roiding, that he was on EPO.

then he gets caught on EPO, but i'm sure it was just that one time. by the way i have a lovely bridge for sale if you're interested.

 

[Pierced7681]

I thought it was shitty to call Smith a quitter when TJ literally fucking juiced for probably most of his career. No one believes TJ only juiced for one fight, thats fucking retarded. Lance Armstrong never tested positive and beat hundreds of tests.

Then when he goes on about the psychology of certain fighters, when literally he is mentally weak for taking steroids because he knows he doesn't have mental fortitude to push himself like a guy like Dominick did without drugs. It goes to show he is is kind of sociopath because he is just projecting his own deep inner mental inferiority on to other fighters. Its all just a distraction to keep people not talking about his suspensions and blatant cheating. TJ literally took the 2 year suspension and got multiple surgeries in that time span.

Dude is also 180 pounds now leaner and more muscular than when he was fighting. He definitely understands drug pharmacology and is one of the very few fighters to test positive for EPO. He understands it at greater level then someone just doing a basic test cycle.

TJ would have never accomplished half of what he did if he didn't cheat. TJ was getting stopped by Dodson, couldn't even beat Assuncao then all of the sudden beats Barao twice, gets gyno, has multiple accusations of cheating, has some of his best performances then all of the sudden expects us to say he only did it once. Only an idiot would believe that, its TJ trying to preserve his legacy. Everything he does is calculated.


Cody Garbrandt famously said that TJ taught Team Alpha Male how to do steroids. Take that as you will, but it sounds plausible with his history.

His wins and record hasn't really held up. Watson, Lee, Tamura, Viana are all cans. They only got a chance because 135 was relatively weak and they needed to stock the division. Mike Easton, Joe Soto, John Lineker are middle tier fighters at best. Barao while at the time was a great win, doesn't look as impressive today after Baraos post title run where he lost the majority of the fights to gatekeepers at best.

His wins over Cody were great wins, but even Cody has looked average since then. His win over Cory was hardly impressive and his fight against Aljo was just a cash grab.

TJ is the last person who should be commenting on other's morality, integrity, heart when he is a fucking known cheater. It would be like if your friend was kicking your ass at a video game while he uses cheat codes, then talks shit to and says how much you suck and bullies you. Speaking of bullying, if this doesn't say it all.......



Literally sucker punching Takeru.

not to mention retiring Chris Holdsworth after getting tapped out and proceeds to knee Holdsworth to the top of his head giving him a concussion and then post concussion syndrome. Chris never fought since and this is 11 years ago. Chris said that TJ is definitely a cheater. Its not just one person saying it. He also held grudges and would always try to KO his partners whenever they got the best of him.

Just an fyi TJ never tested positive for “juice” or “steroids” he tested positive for EPO which is a PED but not a steroid. You should probably edit your post as you’re spreading misinformation

 

[Pierced7681]

It’s kinda why I can’t bring myself to rate TJ as an all time great BW. Tarnished his entire career. And not just minor cheating but at to an egregious level even to other fighters, EPO isn’t like getting popped for a diuretic.

TJ said he was taking EPO in order to make 125, his body was apparently shutting down in training and after he popped they tested his previous samples and they came back negative.

 

[Dorkman]

So long as all of you dragging TJ for his drug use hold the same energy when it comes to jones legacy I got no disagreements with this thread. Tj was a douche no question

 

[Gilday]

TJ's biggest mistake was being man enough to admit he cheated.
Meanwhile the likes of Jones, Silva, Overeem, Brock, Machida, Islam, Vitor. All of them have failed tests, some of them multiple, yet it hasn't stained their legacy the way it did for TJ, because they all denied it.

That being said, he is a dick.

 

[Koala]

Islam popped for Meldonium, same thing plenty of Olympians and tennis players banned for, it got swept under the carpet pretty quick with some BS about it being "heart medication" but you can find it with Google.

A bunch of Team Khabib guys have popped, RDA even trolled them out about it. Don't know why you presume I'd make it up?



Here's a quote on Mendes, you think this was just a small time offence?

"A war of words has erupted between former UFC middleweight champion Michael Bisping and former featherweight contender Chad Mendes. The two exchanged vitriolic barbs over Mendes's past use of and suspension for GHRP-6, a growth hormone release stimulator."

Meldonium was prohibited since the beginning of 2016 and Makhachev got caught a few months after. USADA was not able to state if he used it before the start of the ban or after given the concentration. And he was considered at no fault

Islam Makhachev accepts no fault after USADA investigates meldonium positive

Lightweight Islam Makhachev will face no sanctions or suspension after UFC anti-doping partner USADA investigated a positive test for meldonium and determined the substance was ingested “without fa…

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

No pics of this mythical 180lb TJ?

 

[ThaiSexPills]

If you’re not cheating, you don’t want it bad enough. I can’t respect someone who doesn’t take steroids and lie about it because they don’t want to be the champ bad enough.

 

[Pierced7681]

EPO helped him dust Barao, altering his career, and recover so quickly from being hurt and knocked down against Garbrandt in their first fight. He's a prick who has actually ended a training partner's career for no reason. A real conceited dickhead. No sympathy for him with those shoulder injuries whatsoever.

They retested his previous samples after the Cejudo fight and they came back negative, come on man I’m not a huge TJ fan he definitely has a personality disorder, but claiming he took epo for fights where he tested negative is a bad look

 

[JohnMandick]

I can't believe anyone every like TJ. He is such a douche.