TJ Dillashaw: USADA retested every one of my previous sample

[HHJ]

I'm personally not a fan of TJ and think his antics are cringe as fuck, but i respect him for having the integrity to own up to what he did from the day he got busted.

Is this a joke?

He didnt have a choice.

 

[clutchCAT420]

This is Jones' levels of faulty logic.


Just because USADA re-tested old samples doesn't mean he wasn't using PEDs for those fights, it just means those substances had cleared his system by the time blood was drawn.




EPO is out of your system in 8 hours or less and it's due to substances such as these that USADA will sometimes test athletes in the middle of the night.


The impossibility of plausible deniability has less to do with EPO being "expensive and concentrated" and more to do with the fact that it's an injectable substance only, it'd be literally impossible to find in a tainted supplement.


EPO thickens the blood which makes blood cots more likely to form and they can kill you; it's why anyone who's ever tested positive for it are easily taking other substances because EPO is one of the most powerful and dangerous PEDs an athlete can take.

@dim_ is more informed on this topic though.

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[Motleysubs]

The only reason he "owned up to it" was because he had zero plausible deniability

EPO is such an expensive and concentrated substance that it is impossible for it to ever be found in tainted meat or supplements. It's also something only an expert chemist would be able to provide and monitor, since the slightest error in dosage could lead to blood clots, heart attacks etc.

If he tested positive for an estrogen blocker or clenbuterol, I guarantee he'd be blaming tainted supplements.

I understand it helps a lot with cardio. But, what’s the other positives and negatives? I’m willfully ignorant of steroids

 

[jeff7b9]

because he was cutting so much weight in that Cejudo fight so it popped? Same thing like jon jones,his picograms only show up when he is cutting weight a week before the fight and then he gets tested.

Certain metabolites are strongly effected by fat and water solubility, they stay in the cell until all the water and fat have been squeezed out of the body, then they will appear.

As I understand it, (one of) the turinibol metabolite they test for works this way.

 

[BigGucci]

Great example of a reductio ad absurdam argument!

I figured it was a great response to your strawman argument because no one here has ever said PEDs make you superhuman, they just give a huge advantage.

 

[jeff7b9]

I understand it helps a lot with cardio. But, what’s the other positives and negatives? I’m willfully ignorant of steroids

EPO is the cardio steroid, that is what it is known for, it is big in cycling (distance bicycle racing)

I believe it affects red/white blood cells levels and allows the body to carry more oxygen in the blood, having a superhuman effect on cardio.

The tradeoff, (there's always a catch) is that it thickens the blood. People on it sometimes report feeling like they have to wake up in the middle of the night and do cardio to get their blood pumping.

Pretty nasty and dangerous shit.
And I say that as a pretty longtime steroid user.

* I am not a doctor, this is just anecdotal stuff I have come across over the years, do your own research. Maybe someone who is better informed on this particular substance can chime in.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I figured it was a great response to your strawman argument because no one here has ever said PEDs make you superhuman, they just give a huge advantage.

Enhance performance, yes, but they can’t create talent or work-ethic. People here act like PEDs make fighters unstoppable, like a cheat code in some video game.

 

[DilltheThrill]

Has anyone asked TJ how EPO is supposed to help weight cutting?

 

[iWas]

Yes, as we know, PED's always produce the best results possible.

That was Sapp taking dives at 45 years of age.

Bring up the Sapp that fought against Big Nog and say the same.

 

[Yep]

I'm personally not a fan of TJ and think his antics are cringe as fuck, but i respect him for having the integrity to own up to what he did from the day he got busted.

What was he going to say? Tainted supplement?

 

[Tapatio]

The only reason he "owned up to it" was because he had zero plausible deniability

EPO is such an expensive and concentrated substance that it is impossible for it to ever be found in tainted meat or supplements. It's also something only an expert chemist would be able to provide and monitor, since the slightest error in dosage could lead to blood clots, heart attacks etc.

If he tested positive for an estrogen blocker or clenbuterol, I guarantee he'd be blaming tainted supplements.

Yep, you right my man!

 

[No Skill Gap]

Then how come Jones couldn’t beat the tests?

Hubris, Lazy, unintelligent, luck

 

[maximus__]

Came for the dillashawtablefullofpills.jpeg



leaving disappointed.

All natural baby. Just the one time I changed everything I ever did for my chance to become Champ-Champ.

 

[gluehuffer1776]

he made a mistake once. i believe he has been clean for all of his career except that one fight.

 

[INoHespectChael]

Figures Schaub would be dumb enough to believe TJ when he says he only used it one time because he never tested positive before.

EPO is incredibly hard to detect because it only stays in your system for 2 days sometimes. It's nothing like testing positive for weed.

I personally was shocked to hear the guy that can go 5 rounds without breaking a sweat, tested positive for EPO /sarcasm

"What Carsten has confirmed, what people sort of thought was going on, is that it would be possible for most people to use low doses of the stuff [EPO], enough to get an edge," Joyner told LiveScience, "but in a way that wouldn't be detected."

That's just one of the reasons EPO urine tests, which began in 2000, have been fraught with challenges. In addition, EPO is short-lived, remaining in the body for as short a time as two days.

"So somebody could cheat on Monday and if the drug-testers came on Wednesday, 48 hours might be enough for the stuff to be gone," Joyner said. But the performance effects, he added, can remain for 90 days or so.

"Some of these compounds have short-acting periods of time in the body, but the biological effects, the positive effects on performance, can be weeks or months," Joyner said.

In addition, cheating athletes and those who administer their drugs constantly work to sneak under the testing radar, finding the lowest doses possible that still have performance effects or figuring out when to inject the drugs to beat testing. "The cheaters are in a constant cat-and-mouse game with the authorities," Joyner said. "They're always changing their strategies in an effort to beat the tests."

 

[maximus__]

he made a mistake once. i believe he has been clean for all of his career except that one fight.

The difference between endogenous EPO and recombinant human EPO is not very big," said Carsten Lundby, a senior scientist at The Copenhagen Muscle Research Center in Denmark. A recent study led by Lundby of eight males injected with human EPO and then monitored while riding stationary bikes showed poor detection of EPO in independent tests done at two labs.

While so-called Lab A found positive results for all participants during the weeks when the drug was administered every other day, Lab B found no positive EPO tests.

Three weeks after the last EPO injection, only two out of 48 urine samples showed up as positive in lab tests. Nonetheless, the total red blood cells and aerobic capacity of the participants were still elevated at that time.

"What Carsten has confirmed, what people sort of thought was going on, is that it would be possible for most people to use low doses of the stuff [EPO], enough to get an edge," Joyner told LiveScience, "but in a way that wouldn't be detected."

That's just one of the reasons EPO urine tests, which began in 2000, have been fraught with challenges. In addition, EPO is short-lived, remaining in the body for as short a time as two days.

"So somebody could cheat on Monday and if the drug-testers came on Wednesday, 48 hours might be enough for the stuff to be gone," Joyner said. But the performance effects, he added, can remain for 90 days or so.

"Some of these compounds have short-acting periods of time in the body, but the biological effects, the positive effects on performance, can be weeks or months," Joyner said.

In addition, cheating athletes and those who administer their drugs constantly work to sneak under the testing radar, finding the lowest doses possible that still have performance effects or figuring out when to inject the drugs to beat testing. "The cheaters are in a constant cat-and-mouse game with the authorities," Joyner said. "They're always changing their strategies in an effort to beat the tests."

https://www.livescience.com/32388-what-is-blood-doping.html

 

[maximus__]

Figures Schaub would be dumb enough to believe TJ when he says he only used it one time because he never tested positive before.

EPO is incredibly hard to detect because it only stays in your system for 2 days sometimes. It's nothing like testing positive for weed.

I personally was shocked to hear the guy that can go 5 rounds without breaking a sweat, tested positive for EPO /sarcasm

haha I linked that article in more detail below.

 

[maximus__]

Has anyone asked TJ how EPO is supposed to help weight cutting?

More cardio and longer runs to cut weight

 

[UsernameLOL]

That doesn't necessarily mean he was clean. EPO stays in your system for a short amount of time.

He could have just been off of it when they tested him. But then again tests are supposed to be "random".

To add tp your point I found a paper on controlled EPO detection studies

One Method had a 36.2% false negative rate and the other had a 41.4% false negative rate lmao.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6790592/

Those numbers aren’t negligible.

 

[TimeisNOW]

Yes, as we know, PED's always produce the best results possible.

bob sapp isn't a fighter