News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[BisexualMMA]

I heard this on one of the news or commentary videos on YouTube: the name "OceanGate" is just a bad name, because the suffix "Gate" is associated with controversy.

When I hear something something "gate" I think of Watergate, like everyone else, but I also think of the Heaven's Gate suicide cult.

It's like Stockton Rush was doing some ritual to ensure the operation was cursed. Naming his rustbucket the Titan. Calling his company OceanGate. Selling tickets to go visit a mass grave. Issuing famous last words at every opportunity. Probably had a fucking pentagram on his sub and made his carbon fiber out of Holocaust ashes.

 

[Outkast]

I heard this on one of the news or commentary videos on YouTube: the name "OceanGate" is just a bad name, because the suffix "Gate" is associated with controversy.

When I hear something something "gate" I think of Watergate, like everyone else, but I also think of the Heaven's Gate suicide cult.

OceanGate became Deflate Gate

 

[Volador]

No. I am stating that you dispose of the sub after one or two dives. This is assuming that the failure mode is just fatigue, which it likely is. Airplanes get scrapped because of so many cyclings of the frame expanding and contracting due to the internal pressure of the cabin being different. I very easily could imagine disposable something. I strong suspect it get to be extremely expensive to build metal deep subs that have that much room. Titanium would be tremendously expensive but the perk with it is that it can flex a lot without fatiguing.

I think the margin of error is too small and the consequences too dire for something like that. Plus I’m pretty sure it would’ve been a better business model to charge billionaires 1milli instead of 250k and build something proper. From a quick google search, it seems like a plane lasts 20-40 years on average. So, if it’s routinely serviced, odds are very low that something fails catastrophically. This thing failed on its 4th or 5th trip, and it had pretty much no built-in redundancies. One small structure failure and you’re fucking gone. Maybe it would have some use for some sort of covert military operation, where you put one of these shits together as a 1-seater, and then set it on fire after the mission.

Edit: I also somewhat disagree that it was because of greed. Just heard that other guy saying Rush flew to Vegas to try to convince him to get on, and arrived in an experimental two-seater plane he designed, lol… I think it’s more that he wanted to think of himself as some unique innovative genius, Wright brothers, Nikola Tesla kinda guy. Delusional hubris more than anything else.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

No. I am stating that you dispose of the sub after one or two dives. This is assuming that the failure mode is just fatigue, which it likely is. Airplanes get scrapped because of so many cyclings of the frame expanding and contracting due to the internal pressure of the cabin being different. I very easily could imagine disposable something. I strong suspect it get to be extremely expensive to build metal deep subs that have that much room. Titanium would be tremendously expensive but the perk with it is that it can flex a lot without fatiguing.

The issue is that it can happen with enough consistency anywhere between the 1st dive and any after. It’s not at all a structurally sound way to go about that kind of dive. The information on what is and isn’t safe has already been tested, discovered and so on for quite some time. That’s part of the reason this dude had to cycle thru so many experts resulting in settling for ‘yes men’ types in order for him to move forward.


In short, you’re taking a mortal risk every time you set foot in that sub regardless of whether it’s the 1st trip or the 10th.

 

[ralphc1]

Bluetooth tech isn’t a simple radio transmitter and receiver setup. Do you think the inventors would hold patents on it if it was already invented decades before? Bluetooth is consumer grade shit that requires computers and networking protocols for Devices to even be able to “talk” to eachother and that can drop easily with a few sweaty bodies between the devices and then there’s the delay of input to output response.

The patents are for the programming for Bluetooth devices to detect other Bluetooth devices, not for the radio frequency connection.

 

[emefer]

The patents are for the programming for Bluetooth devices to detect other Bluetooth devices, not for the radio frequency connection.

So it’s not just a simple radio transmitter as you previously stated.

 

[ralphc1]

I hate saying it because he is dead and his family is no doubt suffering, including from all the criticism directed his way, but the guy was just delusional on safety. The fact that he , and his passengers, managed to survive the 5 or so dives they did with the Titan is amazing 'luck'. Also amazing is that high profile competent passengers went on the sub - from the French ex navy guy and seasoned deep diver to former NASA astronaut Scott Parazynski and his wife (a planatary scientist) to Hamish, who had already dived to the bottom of Challenger Deep.

On a YouTube video someone posted a comment that Titan had made 13 previous trips down to the Titanic since 2019. I saw an article that said that it had made several dives to the Titanic.

 

[ralphc1]

So it’s not just a simple radio transmitter as you previously stated.

The radio frequency connection is the same radio frequency that commercial radio controls use. The Bluetooth program just shows the identity of the devices so the user can choose which one(s) to connect with and provides the ability to shut down connections.

 

[ralphc1]

It is a little amazing that he was able to put together a vessel that did make a journey a few times. Part of me wonders if you could have an industry of disposable carbon fiber subs that only are sent on a few journeys. At 250k a person, I think you could cover the cost of a <$1,000,000 very quickly.

I suspect the cost of the sub is just a small portion of the cost of an expedition. A ship to get everything there costs a lot of money.

 

[HereticBD]

I suspect the cost of the sub is just a small portion of the cost of an expedition. A ship to get everything there costs a lot of money.

The sub would have to be way past an experimental prototype stage(which this thing basically was) for something like an assembly line of disposal subs type of deal to even be remotely possible. Put all the man hours with experts/engineers/consultants/etc working on that thing, and it wouldn't surprise me if that one sub was costing somewhere in the very high 8 figures to maintain and tinker with. All those people ain't working for free, and I don't think they come cheap.

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

I don't get why this is a such a big deal in the news. A bunch of rich people paying to do something that they had to sign a waiver over because it was so dangerous.

 

[Gene Tunney]

I sympathize with billionaires. They most likely have to navigate the jugglery of philistines and charlatans on the daily.

 

[Dream Evil]

I sympathize with billionaires. They most likely have to navigate the jugglery of philistines and charlatans on the daily.

True, but they have the resources to hire quality staff to vet out their crazier whims.

"Hey Shirley, I want to visit the Titanic. Put that MBA to work and find me the most qualified company that isn't run by Wile E Coyote and his Acme sub."

 

[emefer]

The radio frequency connection is the same radio frequency that commercial radio controls use. The Bluetooth program just shows the identity of the devices so the user can choose which one(s) to connect with and provides the ability to shut down connections.

there’s nothing wrong with the frequency but Bluetooth is completely unnecessary and adds a point of failure and latency.

 

[Gene Tunney]

True, but they have the resources to hire quality staff to vet out their crazier whims.

"Hey Shirley, I want to visit the Titanic. Put that MBA to work and find me the most qualified company that isn't run by Wile E Coyote and his Acme sub."

They certainly have the resources to delegate filtering tasks and to act as interaction barriers.

Once Stockton is allowed to interact with these individuals, it becomes only a matter of him tugging on the right strings to elicit a yes, I will board your submersible.

 

[heavyarms21]

 

[Doughie99]

I suspect the cost of the sub is just a small portion of the cost of an expedition. A ship to get everything there costs a lot of money.

Yes the mother ship apparently they rented from a Canadian company. No idea what that cost. But for sure expensive.

I read that 46 people had been down to the titanic in that sub previously so looks like 9 previous passenger-carrying trips.

I am quite sure Oceangate have a spreadsheet with the build costs and running costs and revenue and staff costs in it, all that stuff. I'd imagine that might get subpoenaed if (when) there's a lawsuit.
I think Rush was partly motivated by pride and hubris that his way was new and innovative and he Clearly didn't like to be told "it's dangerous, it's a bad design to mix carbon fiber with titanium especially in a cylinder design, this is well known".
So I think he carried on partly as a ' F You' to the rest of the deep dive community and partly as he needed the 750k revenue per trip to make a profit on the whole venture.

Can you imagine what the previous paying passengers who went down on that sub are feeling now? Like they literally cheated death, literally dodged a bullet. Not only that.... Their bodies are instantly pulped. Nothing left for families to bury.

I don't think there will be any rich passengers any more willing to take that kind of risk with any company now, so yes I'd say Oceangate have singlehandedly ended commercial deep dive submersible trips for paying passengers.

If you wanna go yourself then fine, but don't risk other people lives.

Regulations bound to change on these vessels I'm quite sure, and that is probably about the only good thing to come out of this whole sad fatal incident.

 

[TuBB]

What a joke this whole thing was. I had just assumed this private tour was certified and pretty much safe.

Why the fuck did this guy use carbon fiber? Just to be cheap for the sake of being cheap?

 

[GSP_37]

Sounded like he was full of himself boasting he's too advanced for normal conventions and standards. Experts said sphere is strong and he uses dildo shape. Experts say steel and he uses carbon fiber where the glue degrades the layers. You'd think they'd use a material that isn't compromised after each use.

 

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