News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[Doughie99]

For a few days now James Cameron was asked for comment by reporters. He has finally made a comment.

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James Cameron reacts sub implosion: 'I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself'
Cameron noted that one of the passengers killed, Paul-Henri Nargeolet, was a friend of his.

Cameron noted that one of the passengers killed, Paul-Henri Nargeolet, was a friend of his.

"I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field."

https://6abc.com/titanic-james-cameron-missing-sub-implosion-titan-submersible-imploded/13415520/

I too read that on another site and.....Cameron is right.
-- It's almost savagely ironic the mirroring of the 2 fatal incidents, 111 years apart.

Stockton Rush was warned and told that the sub was a bad design by multiple people, he refused 3rd party testing, he refused to have the vessel classified, it wasn't safe and he just ignored everyone, oblivious to other people's best advice and....now 5 men are dead, the sub is destroyed, OceanGate will probably be wrapped up as a company, there'll no doubt be massive lawsuits filed, and all because Stockton Rush arrogantly thought his sub design and build was a good and safe design.
I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but Stockton Rush has blood on his hands for this maritime fatal incident.

R.I.P. to those souls who died on Sunday and may their families find some comfort and Peace at some future time.

And.... I do not forget the 1500+ souls who died needlessly in 1912 due to a similar Arrogance of One Man and so 1500+ men women and children died a cold horrible death in pitch-black conditions through no fault of their own.

The Demise of Titan is like a small faint echo of The Demise of the Titanic, an echo separated by a century, but reminding us all that you cannot take the Ocean lightly, for it will bite you.

 

[emefer]

I too read that on another site and.....Cameron is right.
-- It's almost savagely ironic the mirroring of the 2 fatal incidents, 111 years apart.

Stockton Rush was warned and told that the sub was a bad design by multiple people, he refused 3rd party testing, he refused to have the vessel classified, it wasn't safe and he just ignored everyone, oblivious to other people's best advice and....now 5 men are dead, the sub is destroyed, OceanGate will probably be wrapped up as a company, there'll no doubt be massive lawsuits filed, and all because Stockton Rush arrogantly thought his sub design and build was a good and safe design. I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but Stockton Rush has blood on his hands for this maritime fatal incident.

R.I.P. to those souls who died on Sunday and may their families find some comfort and Peace at some future time.

Don’t know they will be sued. All the passengers signed waivers

 

[MicroBrew]

The fact they found the titanium parts of the pressure hull makes me think they dropped ballasts...ascended too quickly..and the carbon fiber/vinyl window gave way on the way up...

They were way passed the point of the design for that window so I'm thinking that's what went first

They made a few or couple of dives with this sub last year and the year before.

Just my layman's guess:
Stress fractures had developed in the carbon fiber, that was not noticed because these were hairline cracks or below the surface. They didn't do the appropriate Non destructive testing which would have revealed these issues. Or the interface between the Titanium and the Carbon fiber gave way.

From what I gather, reading and watching news reports, the traditional method to construct such vessels is all titanium. James Cameron's vessel - that he visited the Mariana Trench in - was built differently. It is a single person submersible, with a steel sphere for the pilot. The rest of the vessel is made from specially designed foam that can withstand the enormous pressures.

Info on Cameron's Deepsea Challenger
http://www.deepseachallenge.com/the-sub/sub-facts/

Info on the steel spherical section where Cameron sat.
http://www.deepseachallenge.com/the-sub/pilot-sphere/

 

[avenue94]

Edit - yes, they were likely testing new military tech, but the primary purpose was also to study the wreck of the USS Scorpion. Some details are still classified

Which again. They didn't find the titanic. Those events were over a decade a part.

There wasn't any magical tech used to find either that's still classified. It's mostly stats. It's been public knowledge for a long time what Ballard's agreement with the Navy was when it came to the titanic.

 

[StonedLemur]

He didn't deserve a "sir" for that awful blue font.

Yeah but he's always been cool with me so I still extend the courtesy, but you're right, that blue font sucked donkey dick on a Tuesday sir lol.

 

[Goonerview]

The oxygen supply timeline was based upon normal use. If they lost power and were shivering, dying of hypothermia, they will have used more oxygen, potentially twice as much. So they were likely dead Tuesday/Wednesday.

Why this thing didn't have some kind of battery powered transponder enabling location is a mystery. There's really no reason for this tragedy to have happened.

Also one would want a ROV(drone) to go down with them.

Lol at last 3 dives cancelled over fears of structural fatigue.

Fingers crossed we get an autopsy!

Probably cost cutting to make more profit. As seems to be the way of the world these days. I heard that this thing was being controlled by a video game controller bought from Amazon.

 

[heavyarms21]

Funny they paid 250K for a pretty metal death.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Brutal

 

[milliniar]

Don’t know they will be sued. All the passengers signed waivers

But if the families can prove, which seems possible at this point, that the sub didn't meet standards the waiver could ignored.

 

[Doughie99]

Don't believe for a second that they've found wreckage of the sub. That's their way of saying "we can't be fucked to waste any more time on this shit as they're bound to be dead either way. And saying it had a implosion gives the families the illusion that they died a quick death, and not pissing and shitting on eachother while clawing eachothers eyes out".

Definitely bullshit I say.

Oh FFS man.

Please step out of your Everything-Is-A-Massive-Conspiracy-Theory world you live in and trust in Occam's Razor that, in fact, what they're telling you is true.
The entire U.S. Coast Guard, Navy, private companies from Canada, from France, from USA, are not in some huge fucking conspiracy to tell lies to us, what THEY'RE SAYING IS WHAT HAPPENED. Plus they'll no doubt raise the wreckage they've found as it'll be required for some invetigation, so there's that.

 

[Doughie99]

wasn't it confirmed that they lost contact during ascent?

my info is that the sub imploded on ASCENT (when they should have been heading DOWN to Titanic) (see a previous post a coupla hours ago).
That tells me they knew there was a BIG problem and were desperately trying to ascend to reduce water pressure on the hull.

I think the details will all come out in time.

 

[TribalDrumz]

Bob Ballard discovered the Titanic in 1985

 

[Nameless King]

 

[Doughie99]

Don’t know they will be sued. All the passengers signed waivers

there's waivers, i know, but.... I do think there's gonna be big legal stuff happening, in time.

this whole thing is a big clusterfuck. I feel worst for the 19yr old teenager who really didnt wanna go and did it to please his dad and now he is not only DEAD but his body no longer exists. It's PULPED and mixed in with ORGANIC PULP from 4 other men.

I hope that, in the end, the 5 didnt die quite in vain in that this incident brings CHANGE to maritime laws about submersible classification and testing and rules and all that. This thing was phenomenally badly designed by an arrogant maverick who thought he could do things differently and skip testing and good engineering and now his design killed 5 people (not just killed but OBLITERATED their bodies) so I HOPE that no submersible can ever be built / sailed / used without high-level testing and Federal certification and proven high-quality multiple redundant systems.

I think he got away with it because these things are not COMMONLY used by the public -- it's not like it's a commercial jet.

 

[Crawler89]

implosion? I thought you said explosion!

 

[Jackonfire]

Wealth does not equal intelligence. Or expertise.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Ironically, both vessels were filled with people too stupid to understand the danger they had placed themselves in.

 

[ralphc1]

Ironically enough the Titanic was discovered during a mission to locate the also failed USS Scorpion. 100 men died when the sub sank

The Titanic was discovered after they found the Scorpion.

Robert Ballard wanted to search for the Titanic but he needed money for the expedition. He contacted the US Navy who eventually granted him funding but they wanted him to use the equipment to find the wreckage of the US subs Thresher and Scorpion first. Those missions were to be secret so the search for the Titanic made a good cover story for building the equipment.

Ballard found the Thresher first because the Navy pretty much knew where the Thresher was because it sank on a test dive. They didn't know where the Scorpion was because it was tracking a Russian Sub so they were running silent. It took longer but the Scorpion was found 400 nautical miles South West of the Azores. They had 12 days worth of funding left when they headed towards the area where the Titanic went down. Since the time was short they pared down the planned search area. They decided to cross the current stream that they had encountered in the area on the previous search in the hope of crossing the debris field that could lead them to the Titanic and that worked out for them.

 

[emefer]

But if the families can prove, which seems possible at this point, that the sub didn't meet standards the waiver could ignored.

What standards. It didn’t have to meet any standards.

 

[BFoe]

Just very fucking sad. RIP to everyone who perished, and sympathy for their families and loved ones.