News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[Doughie99]

Can Elon not help at all with this??

Elon is Good but he is not God.

 

[HereticBD]

am quite sure they did that a day or two ago.
only question is..... can they get the right equipment there in time..... it's a very big IF....

Yeah, it's not a normal operation.

If anyone remembers the "Titanic" craze from the 90's, and all of James Cameron's documentaries on going down there with his special Sub(that wasn't cobbled together with duct tape and fiber glass), it should be clear at how fucked this vessel is. It's not a normal thing, like you can just ring up the coast guard if shit goes wrong. You're pretty much fucked. One in billion chance at rescue, if that. it's basically like a spaceship that went off course. They don't have some big collective search party scenario when this shit happens. It's basically a "Well, they knew the risks" kind of deal.

 

[GSP_37]

Maybe they should have paid extra to have like 5 other subs tracking it from visible range distance like Hansel and Gretel bread crumbs.

 

[GSP_37]

Can Elon not help at all with this??

He's probably itching to publicly call someone involved a .

 

[Cielo_]

From what I have researched military submarines can’t even dive that deep.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Can Elon not help at all with this??

The true 'Alpha Male' owns a company capable of helping:
https://wegotthiscovered.com/news/t...missing-titan-is-owned-by-steams-gabe-newell/

 

[Halifax]

The Kursk, The Sago Mine, Flight 93, even the Spelunker entombed at Nutty Putty. Nightmarish stuff. I hope to avoid an end filled with terror and/or panic.

The nutty putty story is nightmarish. People who crawl into passages that MIGHT not be wide enough.....I can't even comprehend WTF they might have been thinking. In fact, Spelunking in general is fucking stupid

 

[BKMMAFAN]

Should never been have allowed to take place in the first place. It's insane there is not a greater degree of regulatory standards for these "trips". People always harp on government regulations, but there's a reason you don't fear for your life every time you get on an airplane. Just sheer absurdity. Hope they're somehow found alive but it seems unlikely.

 

[SakurabasEar]

I'm starting to think they'll never even find it. It's a big ocean. Ships and planes much much larger than that thing have simply evaporated into thin air out there (most likely at the bottom somewhere). It would be a miracle if they even find the vessel, much less living occupants.

Apparently they have the search area narrowed down to the size of Connecticut. That's still relatively big area to search with sonar, or whatever they are using

 

[GSP_37]

Should never been have allowed to take place in the first place. It's insane there is not a greater degree of regulatory standards for these "trips". People always harp on government regulations, but there's a reason you don't fear for your life every time you get on an airplane. Just sheer absurdity. Hope they're somehow found alive but it seems unlikely.

I think last night the news said maybe the owner was quoted saying they're too ahead of the game for regulations or something like that.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

Apparently they have the search area narrowed down to the size of Connecticut. That's still relatively big area to search with sonar, or whatever they are using

Air France 447, an Air Bus 330, crashed, they found debris on the surface within hours and still took two years to locate the wreckage on the sea floor at about the same depth in question here. It's sadly basically impossible.

 

[Doughie99]

I think last night the news said maybe the owner was quoted saying they're too ahead of the game for regulations or something like that.

that sounds to me like he was simply trying to rush it, get his sub ready and make money. 750,000dollars per dive (3 paying passengers per dive) was probably quite persuasive for him. Basically....greed.
I think Stockton Rush cut corners to save on build and testing costs and .....this has probably cost him his life, and the lives of 4 other men who didn't deserve to die this way.

 

[Halifax]

I think last night the news said maybe the owner was quoted saying they're too ahead of the game for regulations or something like that.

lol. With an Xbox 360 controller to pilot the sub

 

[Doughie99]

Air France 447, an Air Bus 330, crashed, they found debris on the surface within hours and still took two years two locate the wreckage on the sea floor at about the same depth in question here. It's sadly basically impossible.

this is a bit different. It's MUCH smaller than a commercial plane, about the size of a truck, and they know more or less its position as it was close-ish to the seabed and it'd have done this exact dive many times before.

SO...the latitude and longitude of it's last position should be known to within about half a mile radius or less i'd say. that's equivalent to 30" of arc. (30seconds of arc on GPS co-ordinates, as 1 minute of arc is approx = 1mile on Earth's surface). So latitude and longitude (degrees, minutes, seconds) of where it WAS when it hit a problem should be known quite accurately and unless the steering fans got disabled and it got caught in a strong current (quite possible actually) then it's position shouldn't be that hard.

If it imploded, it might now be about the size of a fridge rather than a truck and and be unrecognizable and that would be......harder to find I suppose.
The large titanium hemi-spherical end-cap should be intact and recognizable. I very much doubt that was the failure point.

 

[TheWobbler]

I don't know if they were using the controller still but who in there right mind thinks piloting a sub with one of those was a great idea. Those cheap controllers develop stick drift in no time when playing on console and have to be thrown away lol

 

[HereticBD]

that sounds to me like he was simply trying to rush it, get his sub ready and make money. 750,000dollars per dive (3 paying passengers per dive) was probably quite persuasive for him. Basically....greed.
I think Stockton Rush cut corners to save on build and testing costs and .....this has probably cost him his life, and the lives of 4 other men who didn't deserve to die this way.

I'm sure money was a factor, but if you're willing to go down and risk your life all the same, it's probably a passion of some kind. I don't think the dude is different than Bezos, or any other wealthy dude who just wants to play with some big expensive toys. Bezos goes up to space all the same, and anything can go wrong. At the very least, guys like that are willing to put their money where their mouth is, and I can respect that. It's not like they're just packing their vessels with their "team", and not having the balls to take part themselves.

Shit happens. When you take huge risks, sometimes the risk wins out, and you don't get to cheat death. My only gripe would be with them taking people with them, but they're really no different than anybody who tests a roller coaster and believes it's good to go for the general public, before a catastrophe happens. It's never 100%, and sometimes the reaper wins.

 

[cincymma79]

So

you know you’re dying

how long do you wait to masturbate? You aren’t getting any more shots at it.

 

[Doughie99]

So

you know you’re dying

how long do you wait to masturbate? You aren’t getting any more shots at it.

I can almost certainly guarantee you impending death is a strong cock-softener.
When your brain realizes it's in mortal danger of potential death it literally shuts down blood supply to non-essential systems, like food digestion. Nobody is getting an erection in a tiny sub with a short time to live.

 

[volodya]

I'm sure money was a factor, but if you're willing to go down and risk your life all the same, it's probably a passion of some kind. I don't think the dude is different than Bezos, or any other wealthy dude who just wants to play with some big expensive toys. Bezos goes up to space all the same, and anything can go wrong. At the very least, guys like that are willing to put their money where their mouth is, and I can respect that. It's not like they're just packing their vessels with their "team", and not having the balls to take part themselves.

Shit happens. When you take huge risks, sometimes the risk wins out, and you don't get to cheat death. My only gripe would be with them taking people with them, but they're really no different than anybody who tests a roller coaster and believes it's good to go for the general public, before a catastrophe happens. It's never 100%, and sometimes the reaper wins.

On a previous page somebody posted an article that they fired the guy that did not OK manned

I'm sure money was a factor, but if you're willing to go down and risk your life all the same, it's probably a passion of some kind. I don't think the dude is different than Bezos, or any other wealthy dude who just wants to play with some big expensive toys. Bezos goes up to space all the same, and anything can go wrong. At the very least, guys like that are willing to put their money where their mouth is, and I can respect that. It's not like they're just packing their vessels with their "team", and not having the balls to take part themselves.

Shit happens. When you take huge risks, sometimes the risk wins out, and you don't get to cheat death. My only gripe would be with them taking people with them, but they're really no different than anybody who tests a roller coaster and believes it's good to go for the general public, before a catastrophe happens. It's never 100%, and sometimes the reaper wins.

From the previous page:

In 2018, while David Lockridge was serving as the company’s director of marine operations, he tried sounding the alarm over the submersible’s hull design but was ignored and fired, according to legal documents obtained by The New Republic.

OceanGate reportedly sued Lockridge for breach of contract after he refused to OK manned tests. Lockridge then filed a counterclaim, stating in part that “visible flaws” had been noticed in “carbon end samples for the Titan,” the vessel that is now missing. Its hull is made of five-inch-thick carbon fiber.

The documents stated that Lockridge “again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.”

Lockridge alleged that the company’s leadership also refused to pay for a viewing portal that could withstand more than 4,300 feet of pressure; the wreck of the Titanic lies 13,000 feet underwater.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lost...h-missing-tourists_n_6491847fe4b025003ee688c8

 

[HereticBD]

On a previous page somebody posted an article that they fired the guy that did not OK manned

From the previous page:

In 2018, while David Lockridge was serving as the company’s director of marine operations, he tried sounding the alarm over the submersible’s hull design but was ignored and fired, according to legal documents obtained by The New Republic.

OceanGate reportedly sued Lockridge for breach of contract after he refused to OK manned tests. Lockridge then filed a counterclaim, stating in part that “visible flaws” had been noticed in “carbon end samples for the Titan,” the vessel that is now missing. Its hull is made of five-inch-thick carbon fiber.

The documents stated that Lockridge “again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.”

Lockridge alleged that the company’s leadership also refused to pay for a viewing portal that could withstand more than 4,300 feet of pressure; the wreck of the Titanic lies 13,000 feet underwater.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lost...h-missing-tourists_n_6491847fe4b025003ee688c8

Okay, but he...and they...were warned. I mean, I'm not gonna go down in the face of that(or any scenario really. I respect water pressure), but if he and others are willing to, it's their risk to take. It also shouldn't be ignored that this wasn't the first voyage. His PS3 sub had been generally successful up until now. That can create a false sense of security.

At the end of the day, it is what it is. They gambled with their lives, and came up snake eyes.