News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[listrahtes]

This story could have been flipped into the aerospace sector and the same talking points could be made.

There are no regulatory bodies ensuring safety in exploratory ventures so dangerous it should make your head spin. People knew (or should have known), the highly increased risk of death by partaking in such an activity.

It's the first death with submersibles. So actually done right deep water exploration is quite safe. These dives are done all the time around the world and nothing happens. Difference is they follow safety and build protocols which makes the costs a lot higher. James Cameron alone had more dives to the titanic than Rush in total with his crappy sub.

It's incredible how safe even these extreme ventures can be made when we act responsible and use all sources available.

 

[BoomStronk]

Looks like they knew they were in trouble for 20 minutes. Eesh

hmmm.. Not so sure this is an authentic transcript. Seems a little too tidy.

Also, this guy's video is very questionable because, how the fuck are you gonna make a video about a deep sea submersible and use the phrase "lets do a deep dive" without adding "no pun intended" or something similar? What a joke.

 

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hmmm.. Not so sure this is an authentic transcript. Seems a little too tidy.

Also, this guy's video is very questionable because, how the fuck are you gonna make a video about a deep sea submersible and use the phrase "lets do a deep dive" without adding "no pun intended" or something similar? What a joke.

It's unconfirmed but some people have pointed out some things that do line up like the slowed rate of ascent explains why they waited so long to report them missing.

 

[DizzySpells25]

Always thought it was dumb the idea they had no idea they were in trouble. Just like how ppl thought they were alive for a week. Come on

 

[jimbob27]

Always thought it was dumb the idea they had no idea they were in trouble. Just like how ppl thought they were alive for a week. Come on

When the implosion happened it would have been instantaneous, but James Cameron said in an interview ages ago that from within the community he'd heard they dropped ballast and were attempting to ascend when they lost comms.

Here's a really good explanation of many of the known engineering flaws that went into the design and construction of the Titan. The thing was an absolute lemon.

 

[ferrisjso]

It's unconfirmed but some people have pointed out some things that do line up like the slowed rate of ascent explains why they waited so long to report them missing.

The last message is 2 minutes off the time of the reported implosion. And it's likely the reported time of the implosion was rounded because it was a number ending in 5.

And yeah at the rate they were ascending in the video it might have taken them the whole day to surface. So that does make sense. Also they had a lot of experience with things going wrong and regularly lost communication with the submersible. This had the effect of normalizing alarm bells.

 

[ralphc1]

The purported transcripts show that the sub descended faster than normal. From what I've seen, the sub with the weights attached was designed to be neutrally buoyant so it stayed at whatever level it was at and moved up and down by using the thrusters.

I don't know if it was the first dive of the season but I think something was said that because of the weather it might be the only dive of the season. If these transcripts are correct it was descending faster than normal and the surface ship seemed to be informing them of that. Did they do something to the sub between seasons that increased it's weight? The transcripts show them dropping ballast and the sub not rising so they also dropped the frame which allowed it to rise but at a very slow rate until contact was lost.

It will be interesting to find out if he added too much weight so the sub wasn't buoyant enough to rise to the surface. The implosion would have been a more merciful death than being stuck at depth until the air ran out.

 

[HereticBD]

I don't know if it was the first dive of the season but I think something was said that because of the weather it might be the only dive of the season. If these transcripts are correct it was descending faster than normal and the surface ship seemed to be informing them of that. Did they do something to the sub between seasons that increased it's weight?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it had some major work done on it in 2019, that they never properly followed up with testing. They've apparently been having trouble making successful dives for a while now, and were even being sued by one couple who wanted their deposits back for all the delays. That video of the Youtuber going in the sub from 2022, was apparently one of quite a few recent launch failures.

I'm wondering if they just pushed this launch to gain back a bit a good standing, in the midst of coming off like a bit of a scam. Like, they were not pulling out for anything less than a potential disaster, and might've pushed it past some initial warning signs when they were in the water.

 

[chardog]

Thanks for the video, I like these a lot.

I knew carbon fiber would be down there, but I didn't realize it was that bad

for the weight, it's very strong (in this particular test), but the property is poor because it is not malleable like metal. Aluminum is a good bit stronger and a lot heavier.

 

[ferrisjso]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it had some major work done on it in 2019, that they never properly followed up with testing. They've apparently been having trouble making successful dives for a while now, and were even being sued by one couple who wanted their deposits back for all the delays. That video of the Youtuber going in the sub from 2022, was apparently one of quite a few recent launch failures.

I'm wondering if they just pushed this launch to gain back a bit a good standing, in the midst of coming off like a bit of a scam. Like, they were not pulling out for anything less than a potential disaster, and might've pushed it past some initial warning signs when they were in the water.

The couple sued because Rush tried to stiff them afterwards not because the dive failed . If the dive was aborted you were able to go another day but afterawhile Rush gave this couple an ultimatum to go one specific day or else he wasn't going to let them dive and he was going to keep their payment.

 

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The purported transcripts show that the sub descended faster than normal. From what I've seen, the sub with the weights attached was designed to be neutrally buoyant so it stayed at whatever level it was at and moved up and down by using the thrusters.

I don't know if it was the first dive of the season but I think something was said that because of the weather it might be the only dive of the season. If these transcripts are correct it was descending faster than normal and the surface ship seemed to be informing them of that. Did they do something to the sub between seasons that increased it's weight? The transcripts show them dropping ballast and the sub not rising so they also dropped the frame which allowed it to rise but at a very slow rate until contact was lost.

It will be interesting to find out if he added too much weight so the sub wasn't buoyant enough to rise to the surface. The implosion would have been a more merciful death than being stuck at depth until the air ran out.

One theory I heard was that the carbon fiber hull may have absorbed water. They used spray on truck bed liner to water proof it and that could have leaked through.

 

[Pittie Petey]

OceanGate just announced that they were suspending all operations, I wonder if it took this long to make that announcement because they were trying to continue on with business as usual and expecting people to keep their appointments for other exploration trips

 

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OceanGate just announced that they were suspending all operations, I wonder if it took this long to make that announcement because they were trying to continue on with business as usual and expecting people to keep their appointments for other exploration trips

Damn. I better get a refund for my trip to the Mariana Trench next weekend.

 

[MicroBrew]

A passenger on OceanGate's sub questioned what would happen if they got lost since they were bolted inside. CEO Stockton Rush replied, 'You're dead anyway.'


Brian Weed, a veteran camera operator, was working for the Discovery Channel's "Expedition Unknown" TV show in May 2021 when he and his colleague boarded the Titan sub in Washington's Puget Sound.

The dive was supposed to be a precursor to a dive on the sub later that summer to the famed shipwreck site of the Titanic in the depths of the North Atlantic, where the TV crew had planned to film.

Moments after Weed, the "Expedition Unknown" host Josh Gates, and Rush were locked in the sub with no way out except from the outside, Weed asked Rush what would happen if the vessel had to suddenly make an ascent in an emergency situation and was nowhere near its mothership.

Weed told Insider that Rush said, "'Well, there's four or five days of oxygen on board, and I said, 'What if they don't find you?' And he said, 'Well, you're dead anyway.'"

The cameraman said he found Rush's response "very strange."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/passenger-oceangates-sub-questioned-happen-162955401.html

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I agree with the comment being "very strange"; it makes no sense since if the passengers are able to get out of the sub without external help they have a much greater chance of survivial, as their survival depends on others finding them rather than running out of air.

 

[BisexualMMA]

OceanGate just announced that they were suspending all operations, I wonder if it took this long to make that announcement because they were trying to continue on with business as usual and expecting people to keep their appointments for other exploration trips

I'm sure it's only a glitch. A temporary setback.

 

[TrueBias]

I rewatched Titanic 2 days ago after years of only 1 viewing.

In 1997, they had almost the same type of submarine, spoke about implosion, basically a replica of what they were dealing with recently, with some spectacle thrown in, of course.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

A passenger on OceanGate's sub questioned what would happen if they got lost since they were bolted inside. CEO Stockton Rush replied, 'You're dead anyway.'

Brian Weed, a veteran camera operator, was working for the Discovery Channel's "Expedition Unknown" TV show in May 2021 when he and his colleague boarded the Titan sub in Washington's Puget Sound.

The dive was supposed to be a precursor to a dive on the sub later that summer to the famed shipwreck site of the Titanic in the depths of the North Atlantic, where the TV crew had planned to film.

Moments after Weed, the "Expedition Unknown" host Josh Gates, and Rush were locked in the sub with no way out except from the outside, Weed asked Rush what would happen if the vessel had to suddenly make an ascent in an emergency situation and was nowhere near its mothership.

Weed told Insider that Rush said, "'Well, there's four or five days of oxygen on board, and I said, 'What if they don't find you?' And he said, 'Well, you're dead anyway.'"

The cameraman said he found Rush's response "very strange."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/passenger-oceangates-sub-questioned-happen-162955401.html

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I agree with the comment being "very strange"; it makes no sense since if the passengers are able to get out of the sub without external help they have a much greater chance of survivial, as their survival depends on others finding them rather than running out of air.

I can't imagine how crazy this incedent would have been if Josh Gates was onboard filming this for Expedition Unknown when it imploded.

 

[Pittie Petey]

I can't imagine how crazy this incedent would have been if Josh Gates was onboard filming this for Expedition Unknown when it imploded.

 

[Fedorgasm]

One theory I heard was that the carbon fiber hull may have absorbed water. They used spray on truck bed liner to water proof it and that could have leaked through.

Yeah it had to have taken on water somehow, because it should've floated up even without the thrusters.

 

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Yeah it had to have taken on water somehow, because it should've floated up even without the thrusters.

Yep. It also explains why they were descending too fast (if the transcript is real). They jettisoned the ballast and the frame and were only rising a few feet a minute.

I calculated it would have taken them about 8.5 hours to reach the surface at that speed. (The one in the transcript, 20meters every 3 minutes)