News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

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BisexualMMA said:
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i think he’s sending dick pics and he has a huge shlong.
 
mjmj said:
I didn't watch so sorry if I'm misinterpreting. Buy cycle fatigue absolutely happens with steel. Did he really say it didn't?
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I'm guessing he's referring to extremely thick steel specifically milled for deep sea diving.
 
emefer said:
He’s calling it a nightmarish charade now. He was silent all week and you know people were calling him for comment. He should just remain quiet.
And you don’t know what he thought or knew on Monday or Tuesday was accurate cause he didn’t say anything. Only after the fact he’s like I knew it the whole time.
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Alot of people knew. So what? There's like 100 experts on youtube saying the thing imploded before they found the pieces.

Cameron probably knew. Lol at making a big deal out of his interview.
 
Well at least it was a quick death instead of slowly suffocating in a metal coffin two miles below the surface in pitch black and surrounded by urine and feces.
 
13Seconds said:
Alot of people knew. So what? There's like 100 experts on youtube saying the thing imploded before they found the pieces.

Cameron probably knew. Lol at making a big deal out of his interview.
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I think it’s funny he was silent the whole time and now he’s everywhere saying he knew the whole time.
 
emefer said:
I think it’s funny he was silent the whole time and now he’s everywhere saying he knew the whole time.
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I think it's appropriate.

I also think it's interesting and relevant that there was a competing design for the Challenger Deep dive that was constructed like this piece of shit that just imploded and that design was aborted back then.

The stuff he is sharing is on point...unless one chooses not to believe what he is saying.
 
Cyrano200 said:
But we did anyway. A submarine is filled with machines, including ventilation constantly running in every space, so there is a lot of ambient noise. (*note there is considerable effort to ensure these sounds aren't transmitted outside the hull.) A newbie (we called them "nubs") wouldn't necessarily hear / notice anything on a normal dive. More experienced submariners could differentiate.
My educated guess is that they don't want the information about the capacity to detect those sounds released to the world. Our geopolitical adversaries (US Navy's) could possibly deduce information about locations, sensitivity, ranges, and any number of other details based on knowing where the Titan went down and the probable acoustic traits of it's implosion. I'm sure there were many phone calls up the chain-of-command prior to they decided to release that nugget.
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The US Navy had that sonar capability in 1968 when the Soviet sub K-129 sank in the Pacific ocean. The Russians were searching for the sub but they were far from where the US listening system triangulated it to.
 
BisexualMMA said:
Kinda seems they could have sent the rover down from those coordinates immediately, seen the wreckage and reported it...but instead this multi day ratings shitshow with some spooky ghost banging pots and pans below the sea every 30 minutes.
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One of the things that Ballard and Cameron pointed out was that they should have had an ROV on site when they made the dive.
 
PBAC said:
wow ... it was literally found in the exact place they lost track of it. Ridiculous.
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Yea its weird. 4 days of searching and then 2 hours after oxygen runs out they find the wreckage right where they lost communication.
 
emefer said:
I’m calling him an asshole now for letting the families go through false hope.
Seriously though, I want to know where he got the information about the weights being released from.
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He was not absolutely certain it imploded even though his expereince said that is almost surely what happened. If he had come out and said it imploded but it hadn't then he looks like a prick.
 
Ruprecht said:
Admittedly I haven't seen it implode from external pressure, but whenever I've seen carbon fibre fail in a structural role, it's been abrupt and catastrophic.
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yup that's about it.
Like this dude attempting a world speed record down a VERY steep mountain on a carbon-fiber bike.

Everything was going fine, 107mph, until front of his carbon-fiber bike just disintegrated.
Give me titanium or steel alloy or aluminum alloy any day, you can keep your carbon-fiber.

Materials science basically has a general rule that the harder and stiffer a substance is, often it is more BRITTLE and when its undergoes excessive load, it doesn't deform or bend it simply breaks - it just fractures and shatters. Carbon-fiber is like that.

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GearSolidMetal said:
Thank you for posting this.

In addition to Cameron's views on the situation, we now have reasoning why the submarine didn't implode on its other dives.

'Cycling fatigue' namely of it carbon fiber shielding. As he said that doesn't happen with steel.
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It happens with everything. Steel can handle many more cycles of compression and expansion but fatigue will eventually cause failure.
 
BisexualMMA said:
He said that he had an idea of what happened immediately but didn't feel it was his place to start spouting off while the families thought there might be hope. I think that's a reasonable stance. He'd probably have been called an asshole.
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yes someone got a hold of a written email he wrote about 3 or 4 days ago (days before it was announced what happened) and I posted an extract in this thread about 2 days ago. Since this thread is now gargantuan......here again is the quote from James Cameron again (he's not named as such but it's completely obvious who it is from the panel on the left) :

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MusterX said:
Yea its weird. 4 days of searching and then 2 hours after oxygen runs out they find the wreckage right where they lost communication.
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The ROVs hadn't arrived in the first few days. When they eventually got there, they still had to search in a grid pattern.
 
Doughie99 said:
yup that's about it.
Like this dude attempting a world speed record down a VERY steep mountain on a carbon-fiber bike.

Everything was going fine, 107mph, until front of his carbon-fiber bike just disintegrated.
Give me titanium or steel alloy or aluminum alloy any day, you can keep your carbon-fiber.

Materials science basically has a general rule that the harder and stiffer a substance is, often it is more BRITTLE and when its undergoes excessive load, it doesn't deform or bend it simply breaks - it just fractures and shatters. Carbon-fiber is like that.

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Shout out to all my submarine compadres that hated studying that Brittle Fracture Prevention Limit curve (BFPL).
 
MicroBrew said:
He was not absolutely certain it imploded even though his expereince said that is almost surely what happened. If he had come out and said it imploded but it hadn't then he looks like a prick.
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Ok he wasn’t certain so why is he now saying the whole search and rescue was a nightmarish charade?
 
Belaya Smert said:
Can we all just take this time to admit that if Elon Musk had been behind this operation they would have killed a lot more people with total immunity than just the 5.
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I compare what Stockton Rush did with what Elon Musk is doing with Starship. The both depend more on what they feel can be done than what experienced engineers advise be done. This even goes back to the space shuttle program when politicians wanted a reuseable spacecraft because they had watched too many science fiction movies.
 
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