News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[ralphc1]

One of the worst ideas or designs for the this submersible is NOT having a built-in escape hatch that can be accessed from a rescue vessel in the deep depths. It may not have mattered in this case if the sub imploded but still a terrible idea.

Even worse was to bolt the end-cap from the outside. If they had made it to the surface they are still going to die unless someone finds them in time. Just rather unbelievable Stockton and the company never figured this thing could be floating far from the mother ship, with the mother ship not knowing where it is, so there needed to be a way for the occupants to get out without help.

A setup that could attach to another vessel would probably weigh several tons if it would even be possible to make at all. People have to accept the fact that there are certain situations that there is no possibility of rescue. If the pressure vessel had remained intact, it would have dropped it's ballast and floated to the surface.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

congrats on gloating over people died the way you thought..
Must be a great win for you.

Yes, because I have a remarkable ability to detect bullshit in the media.

Bullshit facts (lies) added into the story to get the viewers hooked into paying close attention to the story, which increases their ratings.

 

[scoopj]

Earlier in the thread everyone was taking that 'banging on the side of the submarine every 30 minutes as an S.O.S' as true, and it was only a matter of time before the search finds the submarine in tact.

I was the ONLY one of the opinion I though it imploded, they're all dead, and these 'banging' stories are deception used by the media to figure out to keep tens of millions of viewers glued to their TVs.

I'll wait for official confirmation before I gloat.

Yeah hold the gloating until they rule out all possibilities. It's possible the implosion happened after the knocking, though highly unlikely. My initial thought was the Covid vaccine.

 

[HereticBD]

When you look at other deep diving submersibles and then look at this thing, it is amazing that a seasoned explorer like Hamish and the French ex Navy diver would get in this thing.

It's easy to judge now, and look at the sub as the potential disaster in the waiting it was. However, it should be noted that these guys weren't operating out of a garage or anything, and I'm sure they had many, many experts in the field helping them along, and giving their own reassurance to their colleagues who would be willing to get into it. They weren't just a bunch of goofs with no experience, who engineered this thing. Not to mention that this wasn't a maiden voyage or anything. It had proven itself to be capable. The odds were very much in their favor that this would be a dive like any other, and it probably was just some random ass failure that did it in(like a micro crack in the hull, that you can't really test for without actually putting it under such stress).

I mean, it was good enough for those guys to get in, so who are we to really judge? Planes with regulations up the ass, still crash for unforeseen reasons all the time. Shit happens.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

OK guys now THIS is interesting and indeed NEWS.
If it's legit,.....it's James Cameron with some inside info, where he says he has reason to believe the sub imploded at a depth of approx 3500meters (300meters above the seabed) and this is what has resulted in the debris field :

if true, they're all dead, crushed & pulped as the vessels' hull collapsed (i'm going to assume the carbon-fiber failed), and have been dead for several days. Which means we may never know what ORIGINALLY caused the failure if it's just a small pile of crushed material on the seabed.

I expect the titanium hemispherical end-caps to have survived more or less intact and should be recognisable.

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Funny how in the three days this has been a giant story tens of millions of viewers paying attention to it and the ticking clock to rescue the five people.

Basically that ticking clock expires and now, for the first time, are hearing about a debris field near the Titanic.

The submarine's whole point of its deep sea dive was to visit the Titanic. Ya'd think that was the first place the search would be looking for, right?

So they've known about this debris field for days, and just now telling everyone about it.

 

[Busgosu]

Funny how in the three days this has been a giant story tens of millions of viewers paying attention to it and the ticking clock to rescue the five people.

Basically that ticking clock expires and now, for the first time, are hearing about a debris field near the Titanic.

The submarine's whole point of its deep sea dive was to visit the Titanic. Ya'd think that was the first place the search would be looking for, right?

So they've known about this debris field for days, and just now telling everyone about it.

 

[Brom Bones]

Is it too soon to add this to one of OceanGate CEO's interviews?

As my boy Anthony Jeselnick (same birthday as me 12/22/1978) would say, it's never too soon. People die all the time. We're all gonna die someday. At least they died doing what they love. Or maybe with the 19 year old, he kinda was pushed into going. The sad thing is they probably didn't get to see the wreck. They are now part of the Circle of Life... The part where fish/marine life eat the remains of your corpse.

 

[StonedLemur]

It seems that the manual release was some form of hydraulic release. I would hope they used filled hydraulic cylinders to hold the latches closed with a valve inside that could release the pressure. That system could also incorporate the fail safe that would dissolve in seawater over time an release the pressure holding the latches closed.



It didn't need to implode. All it needed to do was to develop a small leak and water would start spraying in, slowly increasing the pressure inside the vehicle and the volume of air inside would get smaller and smaller as the pressure inside the vessel increased.



There is a difference between searching for someone at sea and the bottom of the sea. It's like climbing Mount Everest where climbers are told that once they are above 26,000 feet, they are in the Death Zone where nobody can help them.



The money being spent searching for a craft containing 5 people could be put to a better use either ferrying people in a safer vessel or preventing them sailing on overcrowded vessels.
Greece migrant boat disaster: More than 300 Pakistanis ...





It seems like there would have to be some system to handle the carbon dioxide in the sub. It can't be released outside of the sub at those pressures. We had to undergo confines space training and wear gas detectors to go inside large hydraulic system tanks to make repairs. It doesn't take long with one person inside a 1,500 gallon tank for the CO2 levels to set off the detector even with a 2 foot diameter port open in the side. We would run an air hose inside the tank to put air in opposite the opening to flush the carbon dioxide laden air out. Simply releasing more oxygen from pressurized tanks inside of a sealed pressure vessel won't get rid of the CO2 but it would increase the pressure in the vessel. At least in space the CO2 can be expelled into the vacuum of space.

You can hardly read that blue font sir.

 

[El Chimpo]

As my boy Anthony Jeselnick (same birthday as me 12/22/1978) would say, it's never too soon. People die all the time. We're all gonna die someday. At least they died doing what they love. Or maybe with the 19 year old, he kinda was pushed into going. The sad thing is they probably didn't get to see the wreck. They are now part of the Circle of Life... The part where fish/marine life eat the remains of your corpse.

There is no remains if it imploded lol

 

[El Chimpo]

Funny how in the three days this has been a giant story tens of millions of viewers paying attention to it and the ticking clock to rescue the five people.

Basically that ticking clock expires and now, for the first time, are hearing about a debris field near the Titanic.

The submarine's whole point of its deep sea dive was to visit the Titanic. Ya'd think that was the first place the search would be looking for, right?

So they've known about this debris field for days, and just now telling everyone about it.

Probably telling family members and next of kin etc etc

Giving them proper time to grieve

 

[MicroBrew]

Here is an interview with Michael Guillen, a scientist and journalist, who visited the wreck of the Titanic in a Russian designed and built submersible (EDIT: Finish built) . He came excruciatiangly close to death when their submersible crashed into the props of the Titanic and got stuck.

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- He says that underwater currents pushed their 3 man submersible towards the propellers of the Titanic and crashed into it, getting stuck in the blades of the prop. He said metal bits from the Titanic rained down on the submersible.

- He credits them surviving to the skil of the Russian pilot (ex Mig pilot) and the quality of the submersible, This craft was designed and built by a Russian academic institution.

- Guillen says the submersible he was on was a serious machine:
Verbatim quote from the interview:

- The ship operated beautifully.

- The ship that I was on, a submersible, was a serious machine built for a serious purpose.

- It was built originally for scientific research and had been tested over time.

- So even though we had this collision, than god we didn't breach the hull. We could have and then it would have been game over rightaway. But the hull withstood the impact

- Unlike the OceanGate sub this Russian submersible had constant contact with the mothership through a hydrophone.



This is the submersible Michael Guillen went in. It clearly looks professionally built and far more sophisticated than the OceanGate one

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65972686



Edit:
Developed by the Soviet/Russian Accademy of sciences. Built in Finland.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Probably telling family members and next of kin etc etc

Giving them proper time to grieve

Yes, time to go to a Blink182 concert.

 

[Randlewand]

Here's a good video that shows the depths of various wellknown shipwrecks. Recommended watch

 

[ejectoseatoCUZ]

Damn Delta P you scary.

 

[LEWIS540]

Here is an interview with Michael Guillen, a scientist and journalist, who visited the wreck of the Titanic in a Russian designed and built submersible. He came excruciatiangly close to death when their submersible crashed into the props of the Titanic and got stuck.

---

- He says that underwater currents pushed their 3 man submersible towards the propellers of the Titanic and crashed into it, getting stuck in the blades of the prop. He said metal bits from the Titanic rained down on the submersible.

- He credits them surviving to the skil of the Russian pilot (ex Mig pilot) and the quality of the submersible, This craft was designed and built by a Russian academic institution.

- Guillen says the submersible he was on was a serious machine:
Verbatim quote from the interview:

- The ship operated beautifully.

- The ship that I was on, a submersible, was a serious machine built for a serious purpose.

- It was built originally for scientific research and had been tested over time.

- So even though we had this collision, than god we didn't breach the hull. We could have and then it would have been game over rightaway. But the hull withstood the impact

- Unlike the OceanGate sub this Russian submersible had constant contact with the mothership through a hydrophone.



This is the submersible Michael Guillen went in. It clearly looks professionally built and far more sophisticated than the OceanGate one

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65972686

God bless Russia and God bless Fuhrer Putin.

Best to ever do it.

Shoddy, non-Russian equipment/crew/expertise never stood a chance.

 

[MicroBrew]

It's easy to judge now, and look at the sub as the potential disaster in the waiting it was. However, it should be noted that these guys weren't operating out of a garage or anything, and I'm sure they had many, many experts in the field helping them along, and giving their own reassurance to their colleagues who would be willing to get into it. They weren't just a bunch of goofs with no experience, who engineered this thing. Not to mention that this wasn't a maiden voyage or anything. It had proven itself to be capable. The odds were very much in their favor that this would be a dive like any other, and it probably was just some random ass failure that did it in(like a micro crack in the hull, that you can't really test for without actually putting it under such stress).

I mean, it was good enough for those guys to get in, so who are we to really judge? Planes with regulations up the ass, still crash for unforeseen reasons all the time. Shit happens.

Yes it is true that hindsight is 20/20 yet others - experts included - called out Stockton's design ideas. In one of his interviews he talks about how industry pros said you can't build a deep diving submersible with carbon fiber. He brushed their criticism off, saying people said the same thing about aircraft, and yet aircraft now use carbon fiber. He goes on to say that it all depends on how it is made.

Stocktown claimed the submersible was built/designed with help from Boeing, NASA and the Uni of Washington. I read last night the below article from the Daily Mail stating that the Uni of Washington and Boeing are both stating they were NOT involved with this submersible.

Boeing and University of Washington say they had NOTHING to do with the building of OceanGate's Titan... despite the embattled company's claims
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...iversity-Washington-say-OceanGates-Titan.html

Just guessing here:
If it did implode, it could be the carbon fiber mid section. The guy who was fired says they fired him because he raised concerns about the lack of NDT (non destructing testing) to asertain the intergrity of the pressure vessel. It may be that the carbon fiber developed hairline cracks / stress cracks that were not visible and required scanning with various technologies to find out.

 

[Brom Bones]

There is no remains if it imploded lol

You know what I mean. Like floating bits of flesh and shit.

 

[Bojka]

Which billionaire?

Hamish Harding or w/e. It said in his wiki that he was with Lescovo during that record trip to the Mariana Trench.

 

[MicroBrew]

God bless Russia and God bless Fuhrer Putin.

Best to ever do it.

Shoddy, non-Russian equipment/crew/expertise never stood a chance.

James Cameron visited the Titanic in this same Russian submersible, called the "Mir"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-explored-Titanic-Russian-built-Mir-sub.html

When you look at the interior of the Mir and then look at the Titan, there is a huge difference on how industrial and professional the former looks.



EDIT
The Mir submersibles were built in Finland, but developed by the Soviet / Russian Academy of Sciences.

 

[emefer]

Yes it is true that hindsight is 20/20 yet others - experts included - called out Stockton's design ideas. In one of his interviews he talks about how industry pros said you can't build a deep diving submersible with carbon fiber. He brushed their criticism off, saying people said the same thing about aircraft, and yet aircraft now use carbon fiber. He goes on to say that it all depends on how it is made.

Stocktown claimed the submersible was built/designed with help from Boeing, NASA and the Uni of Washington. I read last night the below article from the Daily Mail stating that the Uni of Washington and Boeing are both stating they were NOT involved with this submersible.

Boeing and University of Washington say they had NOTHING to do with the building of OceanGate's Titan... despite the embattled company's claims
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...iversity-Washington-say-OceanGates-Titan.html

Just guessing here:
If it did implode, it could be the carbon fiber mid section. The guy who was fired says they fired him because he raised concerns about the lack of NDT (non destructing testing) to asertain the intergrity of the pressure vessel. It may be that the carbon fiber developed hairline cracks / stress cracks that were not visible and required scanning with various technologies to find out.

Or the viewing port which wasn’t rated for that depth.