News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[Pittie Petey]

This is what it looks like when 5 people are crammed in there

 

[MicroBrew]

Coast guard cutters are 65ft or longer (referred to as ships) usually commanded by officers but in the USCG some of the smaller ones have Senior Enlisted Officer in charges. Navy only has Commissioned Officer COs

Boats are sharter than 65 feet. In the USCG have a Coxswain in charge that is generally enlisted E3 (rarely) and above, navy boats will sometimes have a boat officer directing the coxswain...the USCG coxswaibs are better trained and don't let Os run our smallboats...

A ship can carry a boat, your boat driver's do the fun stuff....

Yeah the traditional explanation is that a ship can carry a boat but not vice versa.

I posted this YT video awhile back. A ship leans towards the starboard side when taking a portside turn - i.e. when turning left, it will lean right. A boat leans to the portside when making a portside turn - i.e. when turning right, it will lean right.

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

[COLOR=#ffffff]Again, this speaks to his desire to SAVE MONEY -- to do it on the cheap. He simply didn't wanna PAY a real expert with 30years experience in this type of vehicle, he wanted a younger cheaper person.

Whole thing is terrible -- for him to say in that 'Titan tour' video that it's a scientific mission is BULLSHIT. It's simply a fucking joyride for ultra-rich people plain and simple -- so Stockton Rush (CEO) could get $750,000 of revenue for each dive -- and it's a jury-rigged sub that wasn't designed well, wasn't tested well, wasn't evaluated by independent 3rd part testers, it didn't conform to safety standards, the viewing port was rated for nowhere NEAR 13,000ft, the carbon-fiber hull I expect was susceptible to damage from repeated dives, probably no CO2 scrubber, probably no backup electrical power should a cable melt or fuse or have an electrical failure.
No external beacon on the sub as far as I know, giving off SONAR pings that would make finding it quite easy, none of that.

I think this will all come out in the post-mortem of this incident and the company will be wrapped up and new regulations will be put in place and no I do not expect anyone to survive this sad incident.[/COLOR]

It's wild that he clearly cut corners and did this way cheaper than he should have yet he was willing to go down with it almost every time.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Audio of the Submarine CEO's crazy quote about hiring 'inspirational employees'.

@2:20

 

[Doughie99]

It's wild that he clearly cut corners and did this way cheaper than he should have yet he was willing to go down with it almost every time.

probably because he simply didn't want to PAY someone else to pilot the boat!!! RESULT!! saved himself the salary of a submersible pilot.
- that'll be it.
This whole misguided design and build and operatrion of this sub was about MONEY and not a tiny bit about SAFETY.

 

[syct23]

Or they could already be out of air.

I imagine they've been panicking for a good long while at this point.

There’s also the possibility the the oxygen tanks sprang a leak on the initial decent and that everyone ran out of oxygen then.

would explain why communications stopped and seeing video of how that sub was constructed, I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that there were no emergency light indicators on board.

I mean, hell what emergency indicator do they have on that sub, the Xbox controller starts to vibrate?

 

[Thrawn33]

Just finished the interview, and it wasn't exactly as informative I was hoping it'd be, from an 'expert.'

To be fair he was introduced as a USCG Public Relations expert...which is technically not false...

He regurgitated the info from actual experts in the field....

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

probalby because he simply didn't want to PAY someone else to pilot the boat!!! RESULT!! saved himself the salary of a submersible pilot.
- that'll be it.
This whole misguided design and build and operatrion of this sub was about MONEY and not a tiny bit about SAFETY.

Good point <Lmaoo>

Even his name, Stockton Rush, sounds like an evil industrialist that James Bond would fight

 

[Sara]

@Sara

Oh god.... you got to hear this for yourself guys...



At 8:40 - "the way the CEO runs his company is unique. He's on record saying he could have hired 50-year old white guys that were experts - former military guys - but he didn't think that would be 'inspirational.' So he decided to hire 26 year olds."

The Coast Guard expert continues - "I'd rather have the expert from an age standpoint. I don't care what their skin color is. I don't care what gender they are or any of that stuff. I want those who are most qualified if they're designing something I'm going down 13,000 feet in I want to know I'm going to be safe."

"So there definitely is some questions related to this CEO."

Good lord.

So 20 hours? Around this time (less 4 hours) tomorrow.

still have located the vessel yet?

 

[Thrawn33]

Yeah the traditional explanation is that a ship can carry a boat but not vice versa.

I posted this YT video awhile back. A ship leans towards the starboard side when taking a portside turn - i.e. when turning left, it will lean right. A boat leans to the portside when making a portside turn - i.e. when turning right, it will lean right.

That's a metacenter/ center of gravity/hull design issue as opposed to ship vs boat.

I have made a ship heel to stbd turning to stbd....

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Guys, you should hear this -

@ 6:07. Sorry, don't know how to embed.

 

[13Seconds]

Audio of the Submarine CEO's crazy quote about hiring 'inspirational employees'.

@2:20

Would be crazy if later we found out that someone like his business partners sabotaged it so the CEO would die and someone else takes his position, cash or even company

 

[GearSolidMetal]

still have located the vessel yet?

Haven't even heard confirmation there's deep-sea submarines on site yet.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Would be crazy if later we found out that someone like his business partners sabotaged it so the CEO would die and someone else takes his position, cash or even company

Watch that same clip at @6:07.

Some insane shit.

 

[TheNinja]

There is "thrill seeking" and there is just being dumb and ill-informed. Why would you go in a can (with1 button for up and down and no actual seats), down to the depths of the ocean? Coast Guard doesn't even have equipment capable of getting down there and you are going to trust some random person?

https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/last-text-of-british-billionaire-in-missing-titanic-sub-revealed/

I like this quote: "While the Coast Guard has no submarine capable of reaching those depths, officials are working around the clock to make sure such a vessel is ready if and when the Titan sub is located."

In other words "We are working around the clock to make sure a vessel that doesn't exists is ready in case we need it.....but you know.....the vessel doesn't actually exist....soooooooo."

 

[billiam]

Would be crazy if later we found out that someone like his business partners sabotaged it so the CEO would die and someone gets VIP Blink182 tickets

Fixed that for you

 

[GearSolidMetal]

[COLOR=#ffffff]Again, this speaks to his desire to SAVE MONEY -- to do it on the cheap. He simply didn't wanna PAY a real expert with 30years experience in this type of vehicle, he wanted a younger cheaper person. [/COLOR]

Not only that, but watch the clip I posted at 6:07.

 

[ralphc1]

He literally bragged about this.

"You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste," Rush told CBS' David Pogue during an episode of his "Unsung Science" podcast. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."

"The reporter also found that the company seemingly made use of "off-the-shelf components" such as a cheap video game controller, for its submarine."

https://futurism.com/the-byte/titanic-submarine-ceo-safety-waste

I may not have 250k to splurge on thrill seeking but I got out of bed, stopped for an ice coffee and sitting in a nice comfy chair at work.

This case seems like an example of doing something that's very high risk with very little reward.

 

[Doughie99]

Watch that same clip at @6:07.

Some insane shit.

yep i posted about that in this thread yesterday evening.

here's a copy of that post :

On the carbon-fiber hull .....I just found this online, which does sounds ominous :

In 2018, while David Lockridge was serving as the company’s director of marine operations, he tried sounding the alarm over the submersible’s hull design but was ignored and fired, according to legal documents obtained by The New Republic.

OceanGate reportedly sued Lockridge for breach of contract after he refused to OK manned tests. Lockridge then filed a counterclaim, stating in part that “visible flaws” had been noticed in “carbon end samples for the Titan,” the vessel that is now missing. Its hull is made of five-inch-thick carbon fiber.

The documents stated that Lockridge “again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.”

Lockridge alleged that the company’s leadership also refused to pay for a viewing portal that could withstand more than 4,300 feet of pressure; the wreck of the Titanic lies 13,000 feet underwater.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lost...h-missing-tourists_n_6491847fe4b025003ee688c8

 

[Thrawn33]

There is "thrill seeking" and there is just being dumb and ill-informed. Why would you go in a can (with1 button for up and down and no actual seats), down to the depths of the ocean? Coast Guard doesn't even have equipment capable of getting down there and you are going to trust some random person?

https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/last-text-of-british-billionaire-in-missing-titanic-sub-revealed/

I like this quote: "While the Coast Guard has no submarine capable of reaching those depths, officials are working around the clock to make sure such a vessel is ready if and when the Titan sub is located."

In other words "We are working around the clock to make sure a vessel that doesn't exists is ready in case we need it.....but you know.....the vessel doesn't actually exist....soooooooo."

USCG has statutory authority for Search and Rescue at sea, just because the USCG does not have submersibles does not mean partner agencies (most likely the US Navy) do not...that's what that statement means.

They're lining up other assests.

I've been on cases cases where our helicopter air support was from the US Marines...The case was still USCG responsibility