News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[GearSolidMetal]

People drive cars with no licence, registration and insurance every day of the week.

That’s these guys. They got caught on the fifth attempt and it’s killed an innocent father & son.

There's tens of millions of cars on the road just in America. Hundreds of millions throughout the developed world.

A yacht large enough to also contain a deep-sea submarine could only be afforded by a relatively few very wealthy people, and it'd have to be located within a certain distance away from the Titanic location.

And that entire area is easily monitored via satalite & radar.

In other words if that 'strict law' was to be enforced, it'd be very easily enforced.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Wow that shit is rotting away not even epic anymore like when James Cameron went .

Good. Let it be no more and leave the area alone. A lot of people died for hubris and I think it for the best that it only be a faded memory. I know weirdos think it's cool but it's the marker of a mass grave and no one should be down there fuckin with it in the first place.

 

[High Test With da Best]

@MusterX @StonedLemur @High Test With da Best
High Test -- you're right.
The sub can be brought up as fast as they want (unless there's some damage to it that is unusual or endangering) as the interior is pressurized to 1 atmosphere so nobody is experiencing anything other than sea-level air-pressure of 14.7psi. -- no occupant's body has been subjected to anything more than normal air pressure. (as long as it hasn't got a crack or leak in which case they die instantly).

So no danger of the bends (nitrogen narcosis) ASSUMING that the hull is still intact etc.
Divers going down 100ft or 150ft (scuba-divers) DO have to be careful on ascent as their bodies have been under huge water pressure during their dive. That's what dive-computers are used for -- to tell you when you have to go topside and how SLOW you must go to avoid nitrogen narcosis (nitrogen bubbles in the bloodstream, can cause death or paralysis).

My big concern is ....is there ANY asset on-site which can bring the damn Titan up if/when it's found intact? Another sub OR this FODASS equipment but that's too far away and very little time left.

Finding the sub is one thing, but what good is that if there's no way to attach a cable or have another vehicle TOW IT to the surface?

I just ran some quick calcs to estimate the "atmospheric" pressure at their depth, which I think is 13,000 ft.

Learned that every 33 ft you descend below the water adds an atmosphere of pressure.

Pressure surrounding them is over twice as high as a full size high pressure gas cylinder. High 5,000s in psi, and they decided to trust that jalopy that doesn't even have half a dozen dives in it's history

 

[GearSolidMetal]

@MusterX @StonedLemur @High Test With da Best
High Test -- you're right.
The sub can be brought up as fast as they want (unless there's some damage to it that is unusual or endangering) as the interior is pressurized to 1 atmosphere so nobody is experiencing anything other than sea-level air-pressure of 14.7psi. -- no occupant's body has been subjected to anything more than normal air pressure. (as long as it hasn't got a crack or leak in which case they die instantly).

So no danger of the bends (nitrogen narcosis) ASSUMING that the hull is still intact etc.
Divers going down 100ft or 150ft (scuba-divers) DO have to be careful on ascent as their bodies have been under huge water pressure during their dive. That's what dive-computers are used for -- to tell you when you have to go topside and how SLOW you must go to avoid nitrogen narcosis (nitrogen bubbles in the bloodstream, can cause death or paralysis).

My big concern is ....is there ANY asset on-site which can bring the damn Titan up if/when it's found intact? Another sub OR this FODASS equipment but that's too far away and very little time left.

Finding the sub is one thing, but what good is that if there's no way to attach a cable or have another vehicle TOW IT to the surface?

Wait a sec.... so the sub could have immediately & rapidly submerged from a depth of 6,000 meters, and no bends?

Edit - Correction, the Titanic wreckage is 3800 meters deep.

Guess I've watched too many movies and haven't been formally educated on the subject, but I would have guessed that'd be a guaranteed death sentence.

 

[HereticBD]

I think this was the fourth trip for this piece of junk.

According to one of the reporters who took the plunge last year, the CEO told him they've done about 25 dives. The funny thing about it, is that finding the Titanic isn't even a guarantee. This thing just drops to the floor and then powers up, where they then take directions from the people on the surface. You're basically just crawling around blind down there. There is no designated route to the site and it's pitch black down there. You're paying $250,000 to climb into that hunk of shit, for a mere chance to see the Titanic.

 

[MusterX]

Not the news show we wanted but the news show we need.

Terrible news hearing there's banging. No way to help them at all if they were unable to manually release the ballast.

The other possibility is they're on the surface, unable to escape their tomb, not found by the boat. Seas big. Maybe power failure meaning loss of GPS and Comms.

I saw a clip this morning talking about it doesn't make sense they wouldn't release the beacon, which has its own power supply. I mean there are so many fail-safes here that don't make sense. They can manually release the ballast, but appears haven't, and they can release the emergency beacon, and apparently haven't. Its a VERY weird situation.

 

[HereticBD]

I saw a clip this morning talking about it doesn't make sense they wouldn't release the beacon, which has its own power supply. I mean there are so many fail-safes here that don't make sense. They can manually release the ballast, but appears haven't, and they can release the emergency beacon, and apparently haven't. Its a VERY weird situation.

There is a chance that they're on the surface, in the middle of the ocean...in a white tic tac...among the whitecaps. Painting that thing white was another mistake, in a long list of them.

 

[Nigelbro]

In other words if that 'strict law' was to be enforced, it'd be very easily enforced.

If you say so. I guess they need more traffic signals and police on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[RedBeard_]

I'm not quite believing that detail.

Think about it. They don't know where the submarine is, but they have microphones near the Titanic wreckage yet they can hear 'banging?'

It doesn't pass the smell test.



Has there been any reports of how many of these $250K expeditions down to the Titanic there have been?

Because if there's been dozens they've had a reliable safety record until now. If this is the first with this company & model of submarine.... holy fuck batman.

Why would they need microphones? Can't sonar pick up banging over long distances? Sound can travel under water.

 

[Sara]

I cannot imagine being the mother of the son that’s down there with his father.

or the family of anyone else aboard.

 

[Dizzy]

I cannot imagine being the mother of the son that’s down there with his father.

or the family of anyone else aboard.

The billionaire’s stepson is doing the best he can.

 

[billiam]

Anyway, hopefully some laws will be put into place to avoid any more extremely dangerous deep sea tourist expeditions.

Disagree. Besides the people in the sub, no one else is hurt by this so I support letting people do what they want in accordance with their own personal risk tolerance. A small % of people are wired for adventure and just because it's not for you does not mean there should necessarily be a law against it.

 

[Cyrano200]

I'm not quite believing that detail.

Think about it. They don't know where the submarine is, but they have microphones near the Titanic wreckage yet they can hear 'banging?' .

Why would they need microphones? Can't sonar pick up banging over long distances? Sound can travel under water.

Sounds carry hundreds of miles underwater.
Sonar - Wikipedia
Does Military Sonar Kill Marine Wildlife? - Scientific American
That said, from personal experience in the 90's, US Navy resources were unable to find the submarine I served on during wargames even when we assigned junior sailors to bang on the hull with hammers.

 

[billiam]

The billionaire’s stepson is doing the best he can.

"It's Friday morning and my step dad built a really shitty sub
and it shit shit shit the bed, it's always fucking shit the bed
and i'm never seeing him again."

 

[Phlog]

I'm not quite believing that detail.

Think about it. They don't know where the submarine is, but they have microphones near the Titanic wreckage yet they can hear 'banging?'

It doesn't pass the smell test.



Has there been any reports of how many of these $250K expeditions down to the Titanic there have been?

Because if there's been dozens they've had a reliable safety record until now. If this is the first with this company & model of submarine.... holy fuck batman.

Yeah the sound thing is pretty believable, sound travels incredibly well underwater, sonar is how they map the sea floor and whales can be heard thousands of miles away. Especially sound coming up from below the thermocline layer, the water is so dense that the sound travels much faster and further through it.

They started the project in 2017, managed to get to the Titanic a couple years later, I think they had 18 trips planned in 2022, less in 2023 because of weather they say.

 

[Nigelbro]

less in 2023 because of weather they say.

Wouldn’t want to get a submarine wet.

 

[Bojka]

So if the sub is floating on the surface, is there any way for them to get air or would they still suffocate?

CEO of that company reminds me of a submarine version of Steve Jobs. Just dumber and less competent.

 

[Phlog]

I saw a clip this morning talking about it doesn't make sense they wouldn't release the beacon, which has its own power supply. I mean there are so many fail-safes here that don't make sense. They can manually release the ballast, but appears haven't, and they can release the emergency beacon, and apparently haven't. Its a VERY weird situation.

Yeah right, apparently the ballast releases automatically after enough time with the clamps dissolving or some such.

It's going to be really annoying if we don't get closure!

 

[Nigelbro]

The billionaire’s stepson is doing the best he can.

I bet he gave the keys to the sub back to his father and it had less than a quarter of gas in it.

 

[Sara]

The billionaire’s stepson is doing the best he can.

I feel this is distasteful. IF by some miracle of God his father survives, he should disinherit him.