Three Books of Occult Philosophy

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i rereading Frankenstenstein and it is mention the writer(Cornelius Agrippa) the Three Books was the one to spark his intrest in the powers of the heavens. I looked up the wiki and it seems like the Three books covers magic of somekind but I aint got deep in to them yet and came to sherdog for the quick cliffnotes of anyone that might have knowagle of them. So what are they about really. Magic or Religion. The wiki is very short.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Books_of_Occult_Philosophy


and what kind of magic is it about. heeling powers like stones and triangles or black magic like vodoo dolls and potions.
 
Very interesting...I didn't know that. It's interesting to me how many famous authors are heavily rooted in the occult and put it in their writing. Some do it secretly while others are a little more blatant. Sounds like some "As Above, So Below" kind of stuff.
 
Yeahhhh... Philosophy back then was a lot different than it is now.
 
Kabbalah. I'm not specifically familiar with it but I think it might be similar to some eastern practices in that you declare intentions for certain things, and perform rites, mantras, etc in very specific ways taught for certain outcomes. It can be quite involved. These are tools that can be used for dark or light, like energy or weapons. It's like prayer but very specialized.
 
It's spelled healing.

Yeahhhh... Philosophy back then was a lot different than it is now.

Umm. No it wasn't. It was based on logic and reason. Philosophy back then was science. Philosophy today is more meta but should be the same. Without getting too meta, philosophy of today sometimes gets pretentious.

In the past there was spirituality sometimes but the important philosophers used logic and reason.
 
Im not well versed in occultism but
have an interest. As far as I understand the standard method of manifesting "magic" for practitioners is summoning demon or jinn or spirit to do ones bidding for the remainder of the summoners life. A person would be able to get the entity to do all sorts of things from healing to killing with the price being ones soul upon death that is consumed to strengthen the entity. Famously Solomon and his seal was believed to be the first to successfully pact with these otherworldies. Also as far as I understand the benevolent entities do not engage. Do not quote me on this as my knowledge on the subject is rudimentary.
 
It's spelled healing.



Umm. No it wasn't. It was based on logic and reason. Philosophy back then was science. Philosophy today is more meta but should be the same. Without getting too meta, philosophy of today sometimes gets pretentious.

In the past there was spirituality sometimes but the important philosophers used logic and reason.

Actually science was at best a sub-branch of philosophy back then, which gave birth to science - so really, you could more accurately say that science was philosophy, and not the other way around. Today philosophy is still at its core an exercise of logic and reason, except these days it's a much more regulated field than it used to be - hence occult BS like this not having much place in anything even approaching the mainstream. Today's philosophy has no philosopher's stones and, well, "occult philosophy"... It's a peer reviewed academic field which is actually quite strictly regulated and, unlike back then, there are hordes of "card carrying philosophers" which have regulated educations in a strict analytic discipline which finds its roots in rigorous application of logic.

Today, there is a strict line between the peer reviewed work done by card carrying philosophers and the stuff you and your buddy talk about over drinks, or what you see on a lot of book store shelves claiming the title. Back then, that line was much more sketchy. If you think that philosophy was more rigorous back then, when the term "philosopher" was far more loosely applied, and you're pronouncing this in a thread about "occult philosophy" back then, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
 
Actually science was at best a sub-branch of philosophy back then, which gave birth to science - so really, you could more accurately say that science was philosophy, and not the other way around. Today philosophy is still at its core an exercise of logic and reason, except these days it's a much more regulated field than it used to be - hence occult BS like this not having much place in anything even approaching the mainstream. Today's philosophy has no philosopher's stones and, well, "occult philosophy"... It's a peer reviewed academic field which is actually quite strictly regulated and, unlike back then, there are hordes of "card carrying philosophers" which have regulated educations in a strict analytic discipline which finds its roots in rigorous application of logic.

Today, there is a strict line between the peer reviewed work done by card carrying philosophers and the stuff you and your buddy talk about over drinks, or what you see on a lot of book store shelves claiming the title. Back then, that line was much more sketchy. If you think that philosophy was more rigorous back then, when the term "philosopher" was far more loosely applied, and you're pronouncing this in a thread about "occult philosophy" back then, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Lol. I don't disagree with anything you say. But the historical philosophers we study used logic and reason.
 
you fuckin black magic usin sons a bitches ill kill u all
 
^ just looking at who was writing back then, we've got Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Machiavelli, and that's pretty much all I recognize from the Wiki lists.

Descartes' Discourse and Milton's Paradise Lost were still 80+ years away.

Leviathan and Two Treatises of Government were a ways after that, still.
 
Lol. I don't disagree with anything you say. But the historical philosophers we study used logic and reason.

Absolutely. Well, most of them... You get someone like Nietzsche and you could make an argument that he's anti-logic - literally, you go into his notebooks and you'll find sections attacking the very basis of formal logic. Some of the sections in "Will to Power" literally argues that the law of non-contradiction is merely an expression of lack of capability rather than any true law. So reason yes - logic? No, or at least, only to the degree that it can be shown to undermine itself. Then you get philosophers like Kierkegaard who famously says "faith begins precisely where rational thinking leaves off" and he rigorously deals with the nature of the absurd. If you read his discussions on the leap of faith, you'll quickly find that reason doesn't have much to do with it, nor does logic - but then again, that's kind of his point. If you want to analyze the nature of human subjectivity, of the aesthetic which is so central to our existence, logic, reason, and objectivity themselves are simply incapable of capturing the character of these things as they are important to our lives. Also, I don't know if you've ever read the Chuang Tzu, but... Well, calling it philosophy in the modern sense is borderline, but some philosophers do examine it seriously.

The thing is, philosophy now, while it has some crazy sketchy stuff in it - some of the touchy feely philosophy that gets into the abstractions of moral relativism and what one of my profs used to call "spooky metaphysics" - as a whole, philosophy is a fairly regulated field now. Hell, it's a profession which you need very specific credentials to obtain and then your work exists within a larger academic framework. The formations of that framework were beginning centuries ago but the ability to apply it universally just wasn't there.

So yeah, we're in a thread talking about important books of philosophy which were actually discussing magic. That doesn't happen today - at least, not in any serious sense. The worst of what actual, academic philosophy does today is leaps and bounds more well regulated than this type of thing.

Just because "the historical philosophers we read" are pretty good doesn't mean philosophy as a whole was. Ever read Newton beyond his - now thought of as - scientific treatises? There's some pretty weird stuff in there. That's what happens when you try and work formal logic into some Divine clockwork. You get philosophy of Divine Right theory, Richard Cumberland's pre-utilitarian theory and... Well, there's weird stuff going on. We just don't have it presented to us because it has been filtered out by centuries of peer review and whatnot.
 
Errr, that's a breadcrumb trail straight into the heart of occultism spanning several hundred years. If you really want to go down that path I can go get my tin foil out.
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Let me know when you find a book that works.
 
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