International Thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest cleared for climate summit highway in Brazil

[High Test With da Best]

Was this old-growth rainforest? Did these planners offset the deforestation/carbon capture capacity in some other way?

I've kind of resigned myself to the fate of the world at large, and I think that's why I tend to have a more narrow and intense focus on the protection and preservation of IUCN Category I & II ecosystems and wilderness areas. From what I gather, you seem to be particularly concerned about the existential threats posed to global biodiversity, wildlife, and perpetual habitat loss. But it isn't all so dreary, at least not everywhere.

There is essentially nothing that I take more pride in as an American citizen than its advent and export of the conservation movement to the rest of the world. It remains the most robust system on earth with an entire suite of permanent federal laws for enforcement. And there are few that have made a more meaningful impact than the ESA, which has saved over 99% of its listed threatened and endangered species from extinction over the last half-century.

By the mid-1960s, the bald eagle population of the contiguous US had dwindled to a dire 487 total nesting pairs. Can you even imagine the embarrassment and shame of driving the endemic species that serves as the national symbol of your country - a status that predates the Constitution itself - to extinction? Fuck that. The law passed unanimously in the Senate and cleared the House by a vote of 390-12. Today, there are over 70,000 nesting pairs with an estimated 316,700 individuals.

The Endangered Species Act

www.biologicaldiversity.org

The Endangered Species Act of 1973 (ESA or "The Act"; 16 U.S.C. § 1531 et seq.) is the primary law in the United States for protecting and conserving imperiled species. Designed to protect critically imperiled species from extinction as a consequence of economic growth and development untempered by adequate concern and conservation, the ESA was signed into law by President Richard Nixon on December 28, 1973. The Supreme Court of the United States has described it as the most comprehensive legislation for the preservation of endangered species enacted by any nation.

Good stuff. California condors were also almost gone, like single-digits IIRC and are now back up to many hundreds.

I briefly listened to Michael Savage's radio show about 10 years ago, he's kinda out there on some topics, but would speak often on conservation from a right alignment. Can't remember coming across many others but I know they're out there.

 

[Deorum]

That's all good bud, as someone with a global concern anyone fighting for their ecosystems on a local level is a friend of mine.

My concern is global, predominant focus is national, but yeah, my actual money and time are all local to the Grand Canyon area -- the Kaibab Plateau and Arizona Strip in particular, just because it's so remote and the wilderness is still so raw and worth preserving compared to the more tourist heavy development on the southern plateau. I also figure it's more helpful than spreading things out in 100 different directions. Brazilians need to get on their shit, it's constant L's down there.

Good stuff. California condors were also almost gone, like single-digits IIRC and are now back up to many hundreds.

I briefly listened to Michael Savage's radio show about 10 years ago, he's kinda out there on some topics, but would speak often on conservation from a right alignment. Can't remember coming across many others but I know they're out there.

They are incredible birds with 10-foot wingspans, the largest to be found on the entire continent (and the populations will be recovered). You can usually see a bunch of them hanging out around the Historic Navajo Bridge, lol. There's an official viewing site within Vermillion Cliffs National Monument before you make the huge climb up into the most regal looking forest in America, but rare to actually see them there unless you attend one of these events. Remember the "Cliffs" image I dropped in the JD Vance cousin thread the other day? It's the same place, heh.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

My concern is global, predominant focus is national, but yeah, my actual money and time are all local to the Grand Canyon area -- the Kaibab Plateau and Arizona Strip in particular, just because it's so remote and the wilderness is still so raw and worth preserving compared to the more tourist heavy development on the southern plateau. I also figure it's more helpful than spreading things out in 100 different directions. Brazilians need to get on their shit, it's constant L's down there.



They are incredible birds with 10-foot wingspans, the largest to be found on the entire continent (and the populations will be recovered). You can usually see a bunch of them hanging out around the Historic Navajo Bridge, lol. There's an official viewing site within Vermillion Cliffs National Monument before you make the huge climb up into the most regal looking forest in America, but rare to actually see them there unless you attend one of these events. Remember the "Cliffs" image I dropped in the JD Vance cousin thread the other day? It's the same place, heh.

Yeah agreed. On a global scale there's not much more you can do in some areas than raise awareness. Even if you want to donate to conservationists in the amazon there's a strong chance your money ends up in the wrong hands.

 

[High Test With da Best]

My concern is global, predominant focus is national, but yeah, my actual money and time are all local to the Grand Canyon area -- the Kaibab Plateau and Arizona Strip in particular, just because it's so remote and the wilderness is still so raw and worth preserving compared to the more tourist heavy development on the southern plateau. I also figure it's more helpful than spreading things out in 100 different directions. Brazilians need to get on their shit, it's constant L's down there.



They are incredible birds with 10-foot wingspans, the largest to be found on the entire continent (and the populations will be recovered). You can usually see a bunch of them hanging out around the Historic Navajo Bridge, lol. There's an official viewing site within Vermillion Cliffs National Monument before you make the huge climb up into the most regal looking forest in America, but rare to actually see them there unless you attend one of these events. Remember the "Cliffs" image I dropped in the JD Vance cousin thread the other day? It's the same place, heh.

Busy this morning but will reply properly later!

 

[Spam On Rye]

Where have all the conservation conservatives gone? It would seem they've been almost entirely repealed and replaced by turbo-capitalist shitheads since the 1980s. The irony is that many of the most consequential wilderness conservation and environmental protection statutes ever to become codified into United States law did so during Republican POTUS administrations, from Abraham Lincoln to Richard Nixon. What good would so-called "prosperity" be if everyone's breathing in toxic fumes and drinking contaminated water. At one point in time, our rivers were literally on fire and bald eagles were damn near driven to extinction.

Good question. Seems like they go wherever the money is.

 

[Anewt]

Gee, I wonder if this story is being amplified to generate support for smarter climate solutions, or to attack climate activism.

Id prefer to wonder if its true or not.

But m not overly surprised that your main concern is the ideology that comes off bad.

Stupidity that fucks over the climate and amazon rain forest yad think everyone would agree on . Seems very dumb ... no ?

Instead of agreeing. You complain that bad things are getting reported on... impressive

 

[Loiosh]

Id prefer to wonder if its true or not.

But m not overly surprised that your main concern is the ideology that comes off bad.

Stupidity that fucks over the climate and amazon rain forest yad think everyone would agree on . Seems very dumb ... no ?

Instead of agreeing. You complain that bad things are getting reported on... impressive

That's how they play the game, they focus on hypocrisy to avoid even considering taking climate change seriously.

Do I think if this is true it's incredibly stupid? Yes.

Do I think it's a good reason to dismiss climate activism? No.

That's my main concern because the fossil fuel industry has funded propaganda for decades despite the fact they've known what they were doing the whole time. Anyone with an IQ north of 60 knows this is true, and yet the propaganda has been incredibly successful. The president of the United States continues to call climate change a hoax.

Forgive me if I'm not going to play that game and rage about things they want the punters to focus on.

 

[Deorum]

Yeah agreed. On a global scale there's not much more you can do in some areas than raise awareness. Even if you want to donate to conservationists in the amazon there's a strong chance your money ends up in the wrong hands.

I don't mind donating to worthy causes I truly care about, but the idea of getting scammed is intolerable. By keeping it local, I'm able to literally see the results first hand. In this case, there are personal relationships involved, and I can even direct it towards specific objectives within the organization, i.e., wildlife protection and habitat restoration, cultural and historic preservation, backcountry trail maintenance, visitor education and experiences, scientific research, etc.

Busy this morning but will reply properly later!

Yeah. Up in the far reaches of Northern AZ awaits a road rarely traveled where less than 10% of all GC visitation is concentrated. It has to be one of the best and most unique three-piece wilderness combos in the lower 48: Vermillion Cliffs National Monument, North Kaibab National Forest, North Rim of Grand Canyon National Park interconnected in rapid successive order. It's also the only sub-region in North America where you can see both the continent's largest mammal (bison) and bird (condor) in the same place.

 

[HereticBD]

That's how they play the game, they focus on hypocrisy to avoid even considering taking climate change seriously.

They focus on the hypocrisy, because these are the people telling us to be better. If the leaders of this movement aren't willing to be better, what good is the message?

Something tells me that you see and criticize this dynamic around religion, but not this.

 

[Deorum]

They focus on the hypocrisy, because these are the people telling us to be better. If the leaders of this movement aren't willing to be better, what good is the message?

Something tells me that you see and criticize this dynamic around religion, but not this.

The credibility of this summit is in absolute tatters. The real kicker is that a whole bunch of the attending "delegates" (or whatever they fashion themselves as) are really going to get up there to be seen and heard stressing the vital importance that preservation of the Amazon plays in the crisis. They're really going to fucking do that.