Thoughts on Lesnar - Couture

Brock won unanimously the first round and was winning the second round until he eventually did tko Randy.
 
Brock was carrying him probably felt bad to rag doll him
 
I couldn't believe Randy did as well as he did, though I did have Brock winning.

Lesnar must have had 50+ pounds on Randy, and he was much younger and a beast of a wrestler. You'd think he would just manhandle Randy down. He did get him down a couple times but it was amazing Randy could control Lesnar at times.
 
Randy was never winning the second round. He never hurt brock. A little cut on the eyebrow means nothing. Brock rocked Randy twice. First with a nice standing elbow in the middle of the round and then later a straight right that dropped Randy like a sack of pototoes.

It was a decent fight but Lesnar had the advantage the whole stretch..
 
ArlovskiFang said:
Randy was never winning the second round. He never hurt brock. A little cut on the eyebrow means nothing. Brock rocked Randy twice. First with a nice standing elbow in the middle of the round and then later a straight right that dropped Randy like a sack of pototoes.

It was a decent fight but Lesnar had the advantage the whole stretch..
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Against an undersized, older fighter one would hope he'd not lose the advantage.
 
VinceArch said:
Against an undersized, older fighter one would hope he'd not lose the advantage.
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Sure.

But for anyone to say he was in trouble or ever losing the fight was false.

Brock was winning...and then did win. Randy was fairing well, but losing, until he did lose.
 
IMO it was Brock getting further exposed.

It showed his wrestling and athleticism were overrated. He couldn't cleanly outgrapple a man half his size and twice his age. And even knowing this people were still 100% certain going into the Cain fight that Brock would simply stroll across the cage, pick Cain up over his head, and F5 him for the finish.

He is big and strong. Anyone who can strike with a little power and wrestle well enough to not get just tackled and held down is going to beat him. Guys like DC and Stipe beat him 100/100 times IMO.
 
Never found this fight suspicious but Brocks' fight with Carwin is very shady IMO...I believe the 1st Rd was legit but the 2nd Rd was not...in the 2nd Rd Brock does not even once land a significant strike...despite being very new to BJJ Brock manages to get full mount and then gives it up without any strikes to go for the sub...in every other one of his fights Brock goes for short power shots when he gets top position...Brock never once demonstrated that type of grappling composure in any fight before or after...
 
If Randy were even 20 pounds bigger/stronger, he would have fucking tooled Lesnar.
 
WalkenWouldOwn said:
IMO it was Brock getting further exposed.

It showed his wrestling and athleticism were overrated. He couldn't cleanly outgrapple a man half his size and twice his age. And even knowing this people were still 100% certain going into the Cain fight that Brock would simply stroll across the cage, pick Cain up over his head, and F5 him for the finish.

He is big and strong. Anyone who can strike with a little power and wrestle well enough to not get just tackled and held down is going to beat him. Guys like DC and Stipe beat him 100/100 times IMO.
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Lmao, the hate on Brock is so stupid. Brock was in his 4th pro fight ever. It doesn't show that his athleticism is overrated when he was able to beat one of the most experienced guys who was literally the champion at the time with only 3 fights in his career. It actually shows the exact opposite that he was so athletic that he could overcome the massive gap in experience.

MassDebater said:
Never found this fight suspicious but Brocks' fight with Carwin is very shady IMO...I believe the 1st Rd was legit but the 2nd Rd was not...in the 2nd Rd Brock does not even once land a significant strike...despite being very new to BJJ Brock manages to get full mount and then gives it up without any strikes to go for the sub...in every other one of his fights Brock goes for short power shots when he gets top position...Brock never once demonstrated that type of grappling composure in any fight before or after...
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Did you not watch that fight or have no idea what was going on at all? There was absolutely nothing suspicious about it. Carwin was completely gassed after that 1st round. Anybody with basic fight comprehension could tell that. He had nothing at all left, Brock knew it, and took him down with the obvious intent to submit him knowing that.
 
randumo24 said:
Lmao, the hate on Brock is so stupid. Brock was in his 4th pro fight ever. It doesn't show that his athleticism is overrated when he was able to beat one of the most experienced guys who was literally the champion at the time with only 3 fights in his career. It actually shows the exact opposite that he was so athletic that he could overcome the massive gap in experience.
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He won via size and strength. People thought he would just out-speed, dominate, and ragdoll old man Randy, and if he was really the monster people made him out to be then he SHOULD have. Couture is a legend but he was a very small and slow heavyweight with no punching power. How does he beat Brock? On paper there is just no way. But in reality he had quite a bit of success.

It was a sign of things to come - anytime he fights someone who can wrestling a little and hit hard, he's got nothing for them. It was pretty funny after this fight that people thought Cain would be too small for him lol, probably including yourself. Many of us knew what would happen though.

Brock will beat strikers with no grappling (Hunto). Brock will beat grapplers with no power threat on the feet (Couture, Mir at the time though he developed some decent power later). But if someone has both (which many do at heavyweight) then Brock is in deep trouble. Even the Carwin fight is an example of this. Any remotely powerful punch that comes near him sends him running away in a panic unless he knows he can just get the takedown at will. This isn't bashing, it's reality.
 
HarryPotterfanatic said:
A 290 pound specimen landed a brick sized right hand on the temple of a 230 pound undersized man.

Nothing very suspicious about that right, this is almost as bad as people that were saying the Weidman/Silva KO was suspicious.
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The right wasn’t suspicious because his chin was already faltering at that stage of his career.
 
The layoff really hurt Couture. If Couture had rolled out of the Gonzaga fight and had Lesnar as his next opponent he would have smoked him. Anyone looking for conspiracies in the fight itself is looking too hard.
 
RawHawg said:
Did anyone have Couture ahead until the stoppage? Do you think if Lesnar didn't ko Randy, Randy would have won on points? I have heard fighters like Don Frye and a few others say that they found that fight suspicious looking, and said that they felt Randy was the far better wrestler and was not performing up to his ability.
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Randy was wining and would of tkoed brock on the floor if brock didnt cheat and grab the cage to stop randys takedown..no ground game brock would of lost...

He got lucky ..plain and simple..randy > brock always
 
Vehap1 said:
Same thing with Nate vs Conor 2...

You never know
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This is the only major fight in modern UFC history that I have concerns about.

Nate actually had an incentive to lose that fight. That's a very rare situation.
 
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