Social Thoughts on "Heritage" Americans/Canadians?

[Nizam al-Mulk]

You also forgot to mention that we brought them, death, exploitation and displacement.

No shit they should be able to enjoy the wonders of modern technology - it's the least we can do after quite literally taking their homes, stealing their children and forcefully converting them to Christianity.

I have done extensive research in Canada's indigenous communities - for three years, I basically lived on reserves in remote northern communities. You know nothing about these people, their history, or just how badly we damaged their communities. Stop talking about things you don't understand.

They murdered one another quite well, the white man did not have to teach that.

 

[Deorum]

Antecedent Americans.

 

[Deorum]

Now we're talking about the Murderer's Row of American politicians who have been buried under scholastic lukewarm uncontroversial nonsense. Men who believed in more than just the words, but the ideas of what the U.S. should have been. The abolitionists who didnt just want an end to the institution, but would have had a new Constititon had they had it fully the way the wanted.

Grant was one of them. Thaddeus was the next one I ever read about. Also John Bingham who was one of the authors of the Reconstruction Amendments as well. Benjamins Wade and Butler. Hannibal Hamlin. John Fremont. Henry Winter Davis. Charles Sumner. Schuyler Colfax.

THESE are the men who truly cucked the Confederacy where the Liberal Republicans wanted to grant pardons and make nice almost immediately because they wanted to pursue Empirical presence. These were the men who were adamant about the treatment of ANYONE within U.S. borders, Citizen or otherwise. These men along with plenty of female abolitionists and black citizens who leveraged their own freedom even before the National Patriots were willing to grant it are the heroes we should look up to IMHO.

The "power couple" () equivalent in the Senate to Thaddeus Stevens and John Bingham in the House were Lyman Trumbull and Charles Sumner. Trumbull was the author of both the 13th Amendment and Civil Rights Act of 1866; Sumner drafted the Civil Rights Act of 1875 but actually opposed to the official ratified version of the 15th Amendment. Why? Because he wanted it to include women's suffrage for one, and also correctly predicted that former slaver states would find "creative and invidious workarounds" to bypass its intent, i.e., using literacy tests, poll taxes, and property requirements.

There is no heroic history of America.

He's talking about American mythology

There is.

This is heroic history, and the men responsible for it are full-blown American heroes, full stop. There was virtually nothing ambiguous about their intentions. Lincoln also enacted two of the most transformative laws in the history of the country with the Homestead Act of 1862 (including black men, single women, and immigrants after the CRA of 1866 + 14A) and Pacific Railway Act of 1862, which not only revolutionized the US economy by connecting it from coast to coast, but was deliberately constructed entirely through a northern route (Union territory). Both carried the additional intention of preventing the expansion of slavery and cutting off the Confederacy.

The Emancipation Proclamation, officially Proclamation 95, was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by United States president Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, during the American Civil War. The Proclamation changed the legal status of more than 3.5 million enslaved African Americans in the secessionist Confederate states from enslaved to free. As soon as slaves escaped the control of their enslavers, either by fleeing to Union lines or through the advance of federal troops, they were permanently free.

The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. The Amendment was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House of Representatives on January 31, 1865, ratified by the states on December 6, 1865, and officially proclaimed on December 18, 1865. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted following the American Civil War.

The Civil Rights Act of 1866 was the first United States civil rights federal law to define citizenship and affirm that all citizens are equally protected by the law. It was mainly intended to protect the rights of black persons of African descent born in or brought to the United States. The Act declared that any citizen has the same right that a white citizen has to make and enforce contracts, sue and be sued, give evidence in court, and inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property. The Act was vetoed by U.S. President Andrew Johnson. In April 1866, Congress again passed the bill, and Johnson again vetoed it, but a two-thirds majority in each chamber overrode him to become law without presidential signature.

The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as a response to issues affecting freed slaves following the American Civil War. The Amendment's first section includes the Citizenship Clause, Privileges or Immunities Clause, Due Process Clause, and Equal Protection Clause. The Citizenship Clause directly overturned the Supreme Court's 1857 landmark decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford, which held that black people of African descent, whether enslaved or free, were not citizens of the United States, had no rights as such, and could not sue in federal court.

The Privileges or Immunities Clause prevents states from impeding federal rights, such as the freedom of movement. The Due Process Clause builds on the Fifth Amendment to prohibit all levels of government from depriving people of life, liberty, or property without substantive and procedural due process. Additionally, the Due Process Clause supports incorporation doctrine, by which the Bill of Rights has been applied to and made enforceable against the states. The Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people, including non-citizens, within its jurisdiction.

The Fifteenth Amendment (Amendment XV) to the United States Constitution prohibits the federal government or any state from denying or abridging a citizen's right to vote on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. It was ratified on February 3, 1870, as the third and last of the Reconstruction Amendments.

The Enforcement Act of 1870, also known as the Civil Rights Act of 1870 was a United States federal law that empowers the President to enforce the first section of the Fifteenth Amendment throughout the United States. The act was passed by the United States Congress during the Reconstruction Era to combat attacks on the voting rights of African Americans from state officials and violent groups like the Ku Klux Klan.

The Enforcement Act of 1871, also known as the Ku Klux Klan Act, or Civil Rights Act of 1871, was an Act of Congress intended to combat the paramilitary vigilantism of the Ku Klux Klan. The statute made various acts committed by private persons federal offenses, including conspiring to deprive citizens of their rights to hold office, serve on juries, or enjoy the equal protection of law. The Act authorized the President to deploy federal troops to counter terrorist groups and suspend the writ of habeas corpus to make arrests without charge.

The Civil Rights Act of 1875, sometimes called the Force Act, was a United States federal law enacted during the Reconstruction era in response to civil rights violations against African Americans. The bill was passed by the 43rd United States Congress and signed into law by President Ulysses S. Grant on March 1, 1875. The act was designed to protect all citizens in their civil and legal rights, providing for equal treatment in public accommodations and public transportation, as well as prohibiting exclusion from jury service.

 

[Deorum]

They may even be Top 10 material, @Sinister. The fact that Sumner's bill was struck down as Unconstitutional only a few years later in 1883 by unabashedly evil SCOTUS is equal parts heartbreaking and infuriating. There never should've needed to be a mid-20th century Civil Rights Movement.

Charles Sumner (January 6, 1811 – March 11, 1874) was an American lawyer and statesman who represented Massachusetts in the United States Senate from 1851 until his death in 1874. Before and during the American Civil War, he was a leading American advocate for the abolition of slavery, and after the war he was a key figure in the Reconstruction era, during which he and other Radical Republicans successfully fought to end slavery and ensure basic rights for Black Americans. He continued advocating for racial equality until his death, lobbying in his final days for his civil rights bill – the Civil Rights Act of 1875 – which later served as a model for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Historians credit Sumner with coining the phrase "equality before the law," which he first used as part of an early attempt to integrate Boston's public school system.

Lyman Trumbull (October 12, 1813 – June 25, 1896) was an American lawyer, judge, and politician who represented the state of Illinois in the United States Senate from 1855 to 1873. Trumbull was a leading abolitionist attorney and key political ally to Abraham Lincoln and authored several landmark pieces of reform as chair of the Judiciary Committee during the American Civil War and Reconstruction era, including the Confiscation Acts, which created the legal basis for the Emancipation Proclamation; the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished chattel slavery; and the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which led to the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

 

[Sinister]

Watching this dipsh*t Jeremy Carl struggle to sound intellectually racist reminded me of this thread:





So this is the quintessential "white identity," "Heritage American" jerkoff from the Claremont Institute, which is a prominent right wing Think Tank.

This dude mentions the Military culture of the Scotch/Irish. I would presume he was speaking about their colossal efforts during the Revolutionary War. I guess the famed Claremont Institute doesn't cover the Whiskey Rebellion and how George Washington stomped them out as a result of their objection to the tax on whiskey. He mentioned Italians, who weren't considered "white" until the 1970's. He says the Super Bowl halftime show was in Spanish. Anyone wanna tell him where the f*ck Spain is and exactly why Puerto Ricans speak Spanish? Why Cubans in Miami who arent visibly black will outright declare they're white?

It was honestly pretty refreshing that he laid bare his racism and xenophobia, as well as his consideration of everyone from any other Country as culturally monolithic, and furthermore his distinct inability to articulate what "white culture" is without essentially suggesting that sometimes black people do things differently than white people do.

Keep in mind as you listen to him stammer and pause when trying to define what whiteness means and why other cultures threaten it, this clown wrote a whole book about this. But in front of the Senate needed to think about it. I wonder why he didnt quote his own work.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

articulate what "white culture" is

A crude way of saying "civilization".

 

[Sinister]

A false way of saying "civilization".

Fixed that for you.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Fixed that for you.

Cope.

 

[Sinister]

Cope.

Agreed your iteration was definitely cope.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Agreed your iteration was definitely cope.

Meh, all this clapback doesn't change the truth and you know it.
White european cultures built the world and are still running it and will for a long time.
that's why every shithole dweller wants to come here.

 

[Deorum]

I guess the famed Claremont Institute doesn't cover the Whiskey Rebellion and how George Washington stomped them out as a result of their objection to the tax on whiskey.

Based, tbh. Alcohol should be heavily taxed. It destroys bodies, lives, and families. Can you imagine "TRUMP" doing some shit like that? He'd splat his pants, get bucked the fuck off his horse, and snap his fat ass neck.

 

[Sinister]

Meh, all this clapback doesn't change the truth and you know it.
White european cultures built the world and are still running it and will for a long time.
that's why every shithole dweller wants to come here.

Meh, if by "built the World" you mean enslavement and imperialist resource procurement at gunpoint.

Shithole dwellers always gravitate towards the places that exploited them with the premise of "we have created a better and more free society." Then the moment the glorious "white cultures" start to see one too many faces that look different than theirs suddenly they need walls built, secret masked police who kill people in the streets...ya know, your kind of cultural cope.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Meh, if by "built the World" you mean enslavement and imperialist resource procurement at gunpoint.

that's how everybody did it throughout history, white cultures were just better at it. You're not really arguing against the method, but the optimization.

Shithole dwellers always gravitate towards the places that exploited them with the premise of "we have created a better and more free society."

lol no. they come for money.

Then the moment the glorious "white cultures" start to see one too many faces that look different than theirs suddenly they need walls built, secret masked police who kill people in the streets...ya know, your kind of cultural cope.

the trick is to hire part of them to fight the others.

 

[Deorum]

that's how everybody did it throughout history, white cultures were just better at it. You're not really arguing against the method, but the optimization.

It was really pretty evenly matched for most of it. The advent of true blue-water capabilities and global navigation was a huge boon; the Renaissance leading to the invention of Modern Science and the Industrial Revolution blew everything and everyone out of the frame: science led to technology led to economic & military power led to colonial wealth led to more funding for science, better technology, and even more economic and military power.

 

[Sinister]

that's how everybody did it throughout history, white cultures were just better at it. You're not really arguing against the method, but the optimization.

lol no. they come for money.

the trick is to hire part of them to fight the others.

Ahh the old "everybody else was doing it!!" trope. That may have worked for you in grammar school, mate. But it was nonsense then and its nonsense now.

No, they don't come for money alone. Not everyone share your singular motivations. Besides, "freedom" never quite carried the promise of money.

Yes I'm aware. Gotta get the "pick me" types armed and mobilized, and promise them bonuses they're never going to get.

 

[Sinister]

It was really pretty evenly matched for most of it. The advent of true blue-water capabilities and global navigation was a huge boon; the Renaissance leading to the invention of Modern Science and the Industrial Revolution blew everything and everyone out of the frame: science led to technology led to economic & military power led to colonial wealth led to more funding for science, better technology, and even more economic and military power.

Yes, and still these "might makes right" fetishists would be very very upset it a black family aimed guns at them and took all their sh*t. They'd suddenly start making philosophical moral arguments about how wrong that is, not applauding the tactical genius used to procure resources.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Ahh the old "everybody else was doing it!!" trope. That may have worked for you in grammar school, mate. But it was nonsense then and its nonsense now.

nope, it's just history.
and how would you know what happens in grammar school?

No, they don't come for money alone. Not everyone share your singular motivations. Besides, "freedom" never quite carried the promise of money.

i mean if you're 12 years old you may still believe all the somalis came to america and europe for "freedom"

Yes I'm aware. Gotta get the "pick me" types armed and mobilized, and promise them bonuses they're never going to get.

oh they're getting them if they do a good job.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

it's kind of cool to have ties from hundreds of years ago, but the term "heritage americans" means multiple things and these days radicals on the right with white nationalist tendencies are using it to exclude minorities and others they count as "not american" or not american enough.

so i don't like the phrase heritage americans used in this context at all. it's loser and racist thinking. you could come from the shittiest corners of the world, look nothing like the typical american, but if you believe in the principles of the founding fathers, you could be more american than some asshole who had ties to the mayflower.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

took a while but found it. x is basically worthless when it comes to search


retards like this are trying to define american based on skin color and location.

"people and a place"

"blood and soil" to quote the nazis.

fuck these people.

 

[Frank_Drebin]

JD vance leans into this shit too...

unqualified to be president and he's best buds with tucker qatarlson. in 2028, democrats will skewer this guy.

Opinion | Opponents of JD Vance’s Story of America Need to Speak Up

For decades, the United States has clashed over two stories of nationhood.

www.nytimes.com

“America is not just an idea,” Mr. Vance said. “We’re a particular place, with a particular people, and a particular set of beliefs and way of life.”