This whole Khabib only defended his belt 3 times thing is a bit silly when you look at the politics

And ofcourse you just assume Khabib would have beaten the champ without racking up UFC calibre experience right? No need for octagon time just a 5 rounder main event right off the bat? Keep in mind Khabib was gifted a controversial decision against Tibau in his second UFC fight instead of a title shot.

GSP got his first loss because he fought top P4P prime Hughes too early while he was still green in the UFC.

Not to mention Khabib would have missed weight or pulled out of fights in that period from his brutal weight cuts. He would have gotten stripped off the title at that rate.
 
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Khabib is still my goat.

I've never seen any other fighter as him, with such clean fights and pure domination.

Talk about BS resume all you like, but he should've gotten a title shot after Pat Healey. Fight.

UFC cock blocks Dagestanis hard.

Because he never had 9 title defences against the best in the moment. That’s what being champ means. You only fight the best in the moment. Your win streak means shit until you’re the champ and everyone you face is a top contender and out to get you.

UFC does not cock block Dagestanis. That’s a ridiculous statement.
 
Khabib retired early but Jones and GSP did not stick around to start losing like Royce, Fedor , Anderson did. Khabib just did not get the opportunity to fight for the belt until he had 10 wins in the UFC like Charles , Tony and Islam had too. He was 29. I think some of it also had to do with Muslim holiday periods and keeping the premium high for his fights. The people who fight too often are not must see tv. Nobody cared to see a Mighty Mouse fight , he would fight every week if they would let him but Khabib and Conor would make you wait for it and the UFC pay for it.
 
Khabib wasn't exactly ancient when he got his title shot - and he has missed weight and things like that.

At the end of the day Khabib really only beat like 4-5 really good guys. Perhaps 3 of them are some serious beast in their division depending on your standards. I'm thinking RDA, Dustin and Gaethje. McGregor and Barbosa are good wins but not really earth shattering move the needle wins (McGregor is obviously the most famous MMA guy and would be on all time lists...at FW)

What else can be said? We can't pretend that Khabib would have beat current Dariush, Islam, Rafael, Tarkan etc. Doesn't make much sense.

Oliveira's streak was comparable to Khabib's highest profile streak. Khabib still has a win over RDA which somehow people forget - bizarre considering its the best fighter he beat by a long shot. Charles recent 3 wins puts Khabib's 3 title defenses in better perspective. (Chandler and McGregor are comparable, to be honest Chandler is more proven at LW by a lot..)

It's enough to make him the GOAT LW or be #2 on some minority opinions, but all time? Nope. That just isn't how combat sports work.
 
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Khabib no-showed the weigh-ins of an interim title fight because he was going to miss weight again. He snuck off to a random hospital where the ER doctors determined that there was nothing wrong with him, he was just dehydrated, he intentionally avoided contacting the UFC because their doctors would have seen that there was nothing wrong with him and he would have had to weigh in.

When the UFC signed him, Khabib was a 23-year-old welterweight with a 16-0 record that had been carefully engineered by his father. Khabib's 12th, 13th, and 15th victories came against "fighters" with records of 0-2, 1-1, and 0-0 respectively.

In the UFC, Father insisted Khabib do a death cut to try to make lightweight in a cowardly attempt to protect his undefeated record against smaller opponents. The result was Khabib missed weight several times, repeatedly pulled out of fights, was a no-show at weigh-ins, was often injured, averaged barely 1 fight per year over the last 7 years of his career, and got to a point where he was only able to fight in Abu Dhabi thanks to their sham weigh-ins.

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Anderson got a title shot in his 2nd UFC fight for obliterating a top 5 guy in his debut in 30 seconds. Khabib didn't decision a top 5 guy until his 6th UFC fight.

Next dumb question.
 
They threw people to the wolves back then, like GSP got a title shot very early into his career. Hughes was his 8th overall career fight, his 3rd UFC fight. The thing is, even though GSP later became champ, yea, going into a title fight that early showed his lack of experience. He had the skills to beat Hughes but he mentally wasn't ready yet. If Khabib got a UFC title shot 8 fights into his pro career, there's actually a good chance he loses. Khabib at 25 fights into his career is a much better overall MMA fighter than he was at 8 fights into his career
 
As my username shows I'm a big Anderson Silva fan, Silva's title defense record i've seen has been used as a means to put down Khabib's career / his GOAT status but something these people tend to look past is Silva got a title shot in his 2nd UFC fight. Something we might not ever see again unless a dominant champ from another org jumps over.

Khabib should have imo had the title shot vs Eddie Alverez but Conor was given that shot, say politics didn't get involved here then Khabib would have had a longer title defense record.

Silva/ Khabib Bless

you had me at your username
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in all seriousness, good points TS
 
Anderson got a title shot in his 2nd UFC fight for obliterating a top 5 guy in his debut in 30 seconds. Khabib didn't decision a top 5 guy until his 6th UFC fight.

Next dumb question.

I fully appreciate Anderson had a good history before the UFC, but I don't think anyone on earth ever considered Chris Leben to be the #5 MW in the world. Back then title shots were handed out much faster though, not just for Anderson but in general
 
Khabib is still my goat.

I've never seen any other fighter as him, with such clean fights and pure domination.

Talk about BS resume all you like, but he should've gotten a title shot after Pat Healey. Fight.

UFC cock blocks Dagestanis hard.

they aint ' cock blocking ' islam <LikeReally5>
 
I fully appreciate Anderson had a good history before the UFC, but I don't think anyone on earth ever considered Chris Leben to be the #5 MW in the world. Back then title shots were handed out much faster though, not just for Anderson but in general

slimmer talent pool back then
#spiderbless
 
Khabib wasn't exactly ancient when he got his title shot - and he has missed weight and things like that.

At the end of the day Khabib really only beat like 4-5 really good guys. Perhaps 3 of them are some serious beast in their division depending on your standards. I'm thinking RDA, Dustin and Gaethje. McGregor and Barbosa are good wins but not really earth shattering move the needle wins (McGregor is obviously the most famous MMA guy and would be on all time lists...at FW)

What else can be said? We can't pretend that Khabib would have beat current Dariush, Islam, Rafael, Tarkan etc. Doesn't make much sense.

Oliveira's streak was comparable to Khabib's highest profile streak. Khabib still has a win over RDA which somehow people forget - bizarre considering its the best fighter he beat by a long shot. Charles recent 3 wins puts Khabib's 3 title defenses in better perspective. (Chandler and McGregor are comparable, to be honest Chandler is more proven at LW by a lot..)

It's enough to make him the GOAT LW or be #2 on some minority opinions, but all time? Nope. That just isn't how combat sports work.

What does "current Dariush" do better than the one who was there when Khabib was on top and got KOd by Edson?

Benny has beaten journeymen type of guys and then a 37yo Ferreira and a washed 37yo Tony.... He 30-27d a younger Ferreira back then too their first fight. "Current Dariush" is much of the same fighter as he was a few years ago.

Wasnt that long before he needed a hail mary comeback against Drew Dober where he was getting his ass beat. Its funny you didnt mention Gamrot with those other LW names when his name wouldve been there before the Benny fight. And hes beaten Arman too but was a guy who arguably lost to Norman Parke back in KSW.

The top of LW is overstated right now since some are on long winning streaks which happens in every division in every era but its not that much better than the crop of guys during Khabibs time. A shot 38yo version of RDA is arguably still a top 5 LW.
 
Main issue with Khabib's lack of title defenses is due to khabib fighting once a year. He has the longest reign in total days held at 932 from when he won the title to when he retired.
Same number of defenses as:
Penn 812 days
Edgar 687 days
Henderson 552 days
 
What does "current Dariush" do better than the one who was there when Khabib was on top and got KOd by Edson?

Benny has beaten journeymen type of guys and then a 37yo Ferreira and a washed 37yo Tony.... He 30-27d a younger Ferreira back then too their first fight. "Current Dariush" is much of the same fighter as he was a few years ago.

Wasnt that long before he needed a hail mary comeback against Drew Dober where he was getting his ass beat. Its funny you didnt mention Gamrot with those other LW names when his name wouldve been there before the Benny fight. And hes beaten Arman too but was a guy who arguably lost to Norman Parke back in KSW.

The top of LW is overstated right now since some are on long winning streaks which happens in every division in every era but its not that much better than the crop of guys during Khabibs time. A shot 38yo version of RDA is arguably still a top 5 LW.
Dariush hasn't improved since his last loss when he was like 28? I doubt it. There was a reason people thought he was favored to lose to Gamrot. It would be a bit odd if he had not been at least a bit better after 5 years of training.

I dont get how it is funny I didn't mention Gamrot. If you think I am cherry picking then...I obviously mentioned Arman who lost to Gamrot (of course most people thought Arman beat Gamrot...). I mean I mentioned the guy who beat Gamrot - but yes, Gamrot would be a good one also. We do not know how Gamrot would do against Dustin, Gaethje and Chandler because they won't fight him lol. Was I suppose to list the entire top ten?

RDA isn't top 5 in any more. He got beaten very easily in his last fight and he's 38 years old.

The LW division is better than it was several years ago. I'm not even sure how that is debatable. Gaethje and Dustin were Khabib's premier wins during his title reign. Dustin and Gaethje have both been in their primes the past several years and have obviously lost or struggled with several fighters, and that isn't including the international fighters they are ducking and would likely lose to at least some of them.

LW is deeper now than Khabib's time. The two biggest differences between now and before is Khabib and Tony are either retired or are about to retire. Khabib never ended up fighting Tony, so it's not even relevant to Khabib's time as a champion. Even McGregor is still around, he just isn't that great either. RDA was in the welterweight division during Khabib's time as an interim-undisputed champion.

LW was not that great and I remember back then thinking that as well. I remember telling my friends that BW and FW were way more interesting than the usual suspects in LW and WW. LW and WW get by a lot on reputation of always being deep including times when they're not...very deep. Khabib's era also benefited immensely because McGregor who was already the biggest draw became a megastar from Mayweather.


Off the top of my head, Edson Barbosa is Khabib's 5th best win by a long shot. Edson in his prime was a very good fighter for sure - but compare that to most GOAT candidates 5th best win and it looks lack luster.

If Khabib had fought longer he would have had a new wave of opponents totally different from the recent challengers (because he had beaten two of them already). We don't know how Khabib would fare, and much of the old guard will not fight the new guard making it even more abstract.

Charles Oliveira is the best bridge we have to see how they would compare, and we know that at the very least Gaethje/Dustin did not rule the post Khabib era. Those statements Khabib made about how there is no one worth fighting after he beats them was hyperbole - that isn't hypothetical that is true. We know at the very least one fighter would have beaten the same guys Khabib beat.
 
The UFC has a poor habit of keeping champs on ice during their primes, not to mention his division was filled with easy W’s. Hard to blame either of those on Khabib.
 
Dariush hasn't improved since his last loss when he was like 28? I doubt it. There was a reason people thought he was favored to lose to Gamrot. It would be a bit odd if he had not been at least a bit better after 5 years of training.

I dont get how it is funny I didn't mention Gamrot. If you think I am cherry picking then...I obviously mentioned Arman who lost to Gamrot (of course most people thought Arman beat Gamrot...). I mean I mentioned the guy who beat Gamrot - but yes, Gamrot would be a good one also. We do not know how Gamrot would do against Dustin, Gaethje and Chandler because they won't fight him lol. Was I suppose to list the entire top ten?

RDA isn't top 5 in any more. He got beaten very easily in his last fight and he's 38 years old.

The LW division is better than it was several years ago. I'm not even sure how that is debatable. Gaethje and Dustin were Khabib's premier wins during his title reign. Dustin and Gaethje have both been in their primes the past several years and have obviously lost or struggled with several fighters, and that isn't including the international fighters they are ducking and would likely lose to at least some of them.

LW is deeper now than Khabib's time. The two biggest differences between now and before is Khabib and Tony are either retired or are about to retire. Khabib never ended up fighting Tony, so it's not even relevant to Khabib's time as a champion. Even McGregor is still around, he just isn't that great either. RDA was in the welterweight division during Khabib's time as an interim-undisputed champion.

LW was not that great and I remember back then thinking that as well. I remember telling my friends that BW and FW were way more interesting than the usual suspects in LW and WW. LW and WW get by a lot on reputation of always being deep including times when they're not...very deep. Khabib's era also benefited immensely because McGregor who was already the biggest draw became a megastar from Mayweather.


Off the top of my head, Edson Barbosa is Khabib's 5th best win by a long shot. Edson in his prime was a very good fighter for sure - but compare that to most GOAT candidates 5th best win and it looks lack luster.

If Khabib had fought longer he would have had a new wave of opponents totally different from the recent challengers (because he had beaten two of them already). We don't know how Khabib would fare, and much of the old guard will not fight the new guard making it even more abstract.

Charles Oliveira is the best bridge we have to see how they would compare, and we know that at the very least Gaethje/Dustin did not rule the post Khabib era. Those statements Khabib made about how there is no one worth fighting after he beats them was hyperbole - that isn't hypothetical that is true. We know at the very least one fighter would have beaten the same guys Khabib beat.

Main reason Benny was the underdog was because of the layoff from the surgery and he was only a slight underdog at that close to even.

How did RDA get best easily? It was 2-2 going to the 5th round with Fiziev on many scorecards. 1 judge had it that the other 2 had it 3-1 Fiziev and he wasn't blowing him out in any rounds either. Then RDA got clipped and KOd in the 5th after a very competitive 4 rounds... How is that easily? RDA isn't in the top 5 now because more popular fighters right now like Gaethje and Chandler have unwarranted spots but RDA is still better than either right now. Islam, Charles, Fiziev and maybe Dustin are probably the only LWs right now you can say are clearly better. Moicano and Felder were (and Moicano is ranked 13 right now) were very capable top 15 level LWs Felder even being the last to bear Charles before Islam. And RDA steamrolled both.

I agree LW is deeper now if we start going to the 20s, 30s ranked LWs I'm only speaking on the top 10/15 level and it isn't any stronger now than it was then.

Edson wasn't a better win than MJ. I mean Michael beat him 2 years before Khabib did and it was a dominant 30-27. And it's not like Edson was losing left and right. He only lost to prime Cowboy and Tony in that span. Michael just has had an epic falloff but in his short 2013-17 prime he was a top LW. Beat Edson, JLau, Tibau, Dustin. Lost to Nate in a competitive 29-28 FOTN. Lost to Gaethje in a FOTY where he almost KOd him a few times. And he got robbed against Dariush too.

Barboza is probably 6th. But not eons ahead of an Iaquinta or even Healy who was on a nice run after dropping to LW, ranked, and choked Jim Miller. He was 9-1 @ LW and in a competitive 1-1 tied bout with prime Josh Thomson in his lone LW loss before Khabib. He choked Daley, Condit and Hardy @ WW too before. Prime Tibau as well is a good win altho it is questionable if Khabib really won that one......

Khabib would've struggled more since there are more capable grapplers now that match up better. Division was a lot more striking heavy in his prime which favored him but that doesn't mean at the top it's better now. Khabib is just one fighter and style.

Khabib is insecure about his legacy and the no one left to fight part was laughable but I don't see Charles as the best bridge. Charles moves to Chute Boxes 1 1/2 years before Khabib retired. He was @ FW before and getting smashed by Paul Felder when Eddie and Gaethje were going to war. If anything Benny Dariush is probably the best bridge.... He is the #1 contender clear as day right now and it's been off the back off beating mid level journeymen, and 37yo shot versions Ferreira (who he beat years back) and Tony. Then Gamrot. If Benny becomes LW champ in this era then it'll further show that there isn't a big difference at all at the top of LW now compared to then. There are more well rounded grapplers now that are directly tougher fights for Khabib but that doesn't mean the overall talent is better. And Benny hasn't made significant improvements at all. Not like he switches camps recently like Charles. He's been with Cordeiro at Kings MMA for 8 years now. RDA when he went to Kings started his insane run where he only lost to Khabib before losing to Eddie but you could see the improvements right away. Benny is the same fighter he's been and if you watch his fights with Ferreira in 2014 and then rematch in 2021. It's obvious they were extremely similar performances. Great grappler, BJJ, good TDs, powerful left hand. He can just expose guys like Gamrot who's a great and tenacious grappler so can cancel out but Gamrot is poor striker. The level of striking in general now at the top of LW is much worse than Khabib's era even tho grappling is better.
 
He actually defended it 2 times in the eyes of most.

You can't gain a belt beating Al Aquiinta lol
 
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