This Ngannou vs Prime Fedor how does it go

[Dan Torrance]

round 1- The bell rings and both men circle each other. Fedor leg kicks and Ngannou immediatly launches into a flury of hooks he catches fedor and, wobbled, fedor leans into Ngannou and transitions into a full german supplex landing flat on Ngannous top of the head impacting the neck and sending Ngannous body in a series of violent convulsions. Fedor also falls to the floor and begins to convulse and then all of a sudden both men are very still, eyes open staring into space. It is later determined that Fedor was dead upon first impact of Ngannous fist but his body was operating completely on muscle memory.

 

[MartinGibson86]

If i can dub'd for referring to Japanese fighters as a certain potato chip brand from the 40's and a slang for spoiled Jewish girls, comparisons of Frank to Brett Rogers or Bob Sapp should also warrant dubs.

 

[Phisher]

Fedor never really fought safe but if you watch his fight vs Semmy Schilt, you realize he could absolutely ground Francis and pound on him.

Also Fedor was FAST and mixed up his attacks(in his prime)...Stipe has always been slow.

Semmy Schilt got taken down by MWs. What the fuck does he have to do with Ngannou?

 

[Баса́ев]

Fedor is my favorite HW ever but Ngannou sparks him dead

 

[ctelooming]

Its astonishing to me that people still don't realize how good fedor was. He did everything well and chained things together like a video game. And his speed has never been equaled by another hw.

People like to bring up how he was out of his prime at a fairly young age but he had a ton of wear and tear. He had over 30 fights (mostly against larger opponents too) and god knows how many sambo matches inbetween those fights by the time he got to strikeforce at age 33 or so. He completely abandoned his ground game and just turned into a headhunter by that point.

I mean it wasn't too long ago that quite a few people on this forum were talking about Woodley being a nightmare match up for GSP during his title reign and now people are picking a YouTuber to knock him out in a boxing match. Fighters age seemingly overnight and unfortunately a lot of them don't have the money to retire when they should so they end up losing 3-4 straight and everyone thinks they're a can all of a sudden.

I think Nganouu is a tough match up for Fedor because of the size difference and his power is absolutely insane for the first round and and a half, but I'd still favor prime Fedor. Probably 60/40 in his favor. He relied a bit too much on his physical gifts in the stand up but I'm sure he would he more cautious going into a fight with Nganouu and would try to wear him out until he could get the takedown. I'd probably favor Nganouu 60/40 against a prime Mirko because as good as he was he had an average chin and was definitely hittable at times. I feel his high kick could KO Nganouu though and he had cruiserweight level power in his hands so it's possible that he would be the one guy to finish him with strikes. Sorry for the wall of text, lol.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

we talking about the PrideFC "i still use grappling and strategy in my fights" Fedor? that Fedor would probably beat any HW that we've seen so far.

the Strikeforce "all i do is swing for the fences" Fedor gets ktfo tho

 

[ThunderStruck]

He carried on losing muscle mass and gaining fat its true but it wasn't a case that he suddenly started to lose it when he was fighting in the US.

He's smaller against Mirko than he is here and indeed go back to RINGS and he's even leaner.

He didnt start losing fights when he came to the US either, first time he fought there was in late 2006 and he didnt lose until almost 4 years latter, thats almost as long as his entire run in Pride.

It just seems bizzare that when talking about PEDs in this fight its the flabbing 235lb guy who is supposidly suspect not...

Not saying I think Francis is clearly on PEDs but again if you asked me which of them two was more likely to be during their prime I think its clearly him.

Added to that really I don't think muscle mass was the main issue for his decline, he biggest issue was IMHO that he dropped off technically and lost a bit of speed/mobility. SF Fedor was I think a far inferior grappling wise espeically to the Pride version but also more of a head hunter standing.

You just can't guess steroid abuses on look. All we know is Ngannou is constantly being random tested and hes passed all of them. Fedor has never ever been random tested. Theres so many chubby fighters who pissed hot. The most suspect fighters are the one ballooning in between fights and then gets absolutely shredded in a 3 months training camp like Hendricks. Fighters that are shredded all years long... it can just be genetics and commitment to eating well.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Semmy Schilt got taken down by MWs. What the fuck does he have to do with Ngannou?

Grappling ace Gilbert Yvel mounted Semmy like 20 seconds in lol

 

[kflo]

People like to bring up how he was out of his prime at a fairly young age but he had a ton of wear and tear. He had over 30 fights (mostly against larger opponents too) and god knows how many sambo matches inbetween those fights by the time he got to strikeforce at age 33 or so. He completely abandoned his ground game and just turned into a headhunter by that point.

I mean it wasn't too long ago that quite a few people on this forum were talking about Woodley being a nightmare match up for GSP during his title reign and now people are picking a YouTuber to knock him out in a boxing match. Fighters age seemingly overnight and unfortunately a lot of them don't have the money to retire when they should so they end up losing 3-4 straight and everyone thinks they're a can all of a sudden.

I think Nganouu is a tough match up for Fedor because of the size difference and his power is absolutely insane for the first round and and a half, but I'd still favor prime Fedor. Probably 60/40 in his favor. He relied a bit too much on his physical gifts in the stand up but I'm sure he would he more cautious going into a fight with Nganouu and would try to wear him out until he could get the takedown. I'd probably favor Nganouu 60/40 against a prime Mirko because as good as he was he had an average chin and was definitely hittable at times. I feel his high kick could KO Nganouu though and he had cruiserweight level power in his hands so it's possible that he would be the one guy to finish him with strikes. Sorry for the wall of text, lol.

It’s a bit overstated though. He took down rogers early. He didn’t lose to werdum because he was headhunting. He lost on the ground. He took down bigfoot too. He just was completely dominated when bigfoot took him down.

 

[MartinGibson86]

we talking about the PrideFC "i still use grappling and strategy in my fights" Fedor? that Fedor would probably beat any HW that we've seen so far.

the Strikeforce "all i do is swing for the fences" Fedor gets ktfo tho

He tried grappling against Mark Hunt.

Got sidemounted twice and nearly keylocked.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Grappling ace Gilbert Yvel mounted Semmy like 20 seconds in lol

Pride fanbois just love to use Schilt win as a proof that he'd do good against Ngannou. They neglect the part where Schilt already had 10 mma losses by the time he fought Fedor.

 

[tech99]

Fedor via actually being able to fight more than 2 rounds

 

[BonesWinckleJones]

fedor got knocked out by lhw jab

 

[MartinGibson86]

Its astonishing to me that people still don't realize how good fedor was. He did everything well and chained things together like a video game. And his speed has never been equaled by another hw.

Look at the SEVEN guys he fought between Nog 1 & 2 lol

 

[Sad Dad]

Watch Fedor vs Brett Rogers pls, same outcome

Brett Rogers is not even close to Frank’s power technical ability chin athleticism. The rhetoric that Francis is a sloppy bar brawler is retarded.

 

[HHJ]

Fedor by total annihlation.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

He tried grappling against Mark Hunt.

Got sidemounted twice and nearly keylocked.

and so what? i have a differing opinion than you, get over it.

if you're really going to sit here and try to argue the validity of your opinion of a fantasy fight over mine like there is any right/wrong answer, please miss me with that bullshit.

 

[ctelooming]

It’s a bit overstated though. He took down rogers early. He didn’t lose to werdum because he was headhunting. He lost on the ground. He took down bigfoot too. He just was completely dominated when bigfoot took him down.

All fair points. Though taking down Roger's doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Would you favor prime Fedor or current (I'm assuming he's in his prime) Nganouu?

 

[kflo]

All fair points. Though taking down Roger's doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Would you favor prime Fedor or current (I'm assuming he's in his prime) Nganouu?

i agree on rogers, who was tossed like a doll against overeem. but the point was he did still take fights to the ground.

i really didn't have an issue with your opinion overall and your odds are probably close to mine in fedor's favor for now. ngannou is almost penalized by how easy he's made it look in all of his wins. i have no doubt he's improved alot since stipe 1 (many argue that stipe was just worse in 2) but there's still some lingering uncertainty on how he can handle adversity. he's had very little in his wins. i'd have fedor a slight favorite.

 

[kflo]

we talking about the PrideFC "i still use grappling and strategy in my fights" Fedor? that Fedor would probably beat any HW that we've seen so far.

the Strikeforce "all i do is swing for the fences" Fedor gets ktfo tho

i don't believe in absolutes in mma. pridefc fedor may be favored to beat any hw we've seen so far. but fight enough of them (elite fighters) and you will lose along the way.