This is what boxers say about the greatest boxer ever, when they aren't promoting

[Social Distance Warrior]

And then I school them and we're friends again.

Like Logical Insanity.

Yup...

Seano versed me in the arts of proper scoring...and after our spat regarding the Bradley vs Manny 1 card, we have become the best of buds.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

what about when they're not promoting?

Lol, how's it going bruh?

 

[Postman Prat]

My sig says it all. Although I lean towards "Whitaker would humble Floyd" in a fantasy match, I'd say his actual record and accomplishments in the sport are being challenged by Floyd's overall run. As for Charles, well, I've seen a little, and read a little, and don't know all that much. Since you say posts like his go unchallenged, can you go beyond attacking the "spaz" and all of us unversed morons, and explain how you actually challenge his opinion, or are you just alt accounting for no reason?

What's he done to challenge it? When has he ever beaten opposition of the quality of Azumah Nelson or Julio Cesar Chavez? When has he ever put together a run like the one Whitaker did when he was at lightweight? Look at who Whitaker beat to win belts at 140 and 147 and then look who Mayweather beat.


Charles belongs in any credible top five ATG list. The guy beat elite level opposition at middleweight, light-heavyweight and heavyweight. No cherry picking weaker ABC title holders on the way up, either.

 

[nastyleft]

What's he done to challenge it? When has he ever beaten opposition of the quality of Azumah Nelson or Julio Cesar Chavez? When has he ever put together a run like the one Whitaker did when he was at lightweight? Look at who Whitaker beat to win belts at 140 and 147 and then look who Mayweather beat.

Charles belongs in any credible top five ATG list. The guy beat elite level opposition at middleweight, light-heavyweight and heavyweight. No cherry picking weaker ABC title holders on the way up, either.

I'll see your Nelson and Chavez with Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton and Marquez. We can go frther back and count Corrales....Or we can go forward and count Cotto....Maidana? that row of guys takes any Chavez an Nelson and any other 6 guys Sweet Pea beat in his whole career...

 

[nastyleft]

Below is Sweat Pea's full record and I highlighted his illustrious list of fighters he met during the "Golden 140, 147 lbs. and Lightweight Years" you referred to: LOL and he DREW with Chavez!

Pernell Whitaker 40-4-1-1NC, 17 KOs, 36% KO ratio
2001-04-27 Carlos Bojorquez Stateline, US L TKO 4
1999-02-20 Felix Trinidad New York, US L UD 12
IBF Welterweight Title
1997-10-17 Andrey Pestryaev Mashantucket, US NC ND 12
1997-04-12 Oscar De La Hoya Las Vegas, US L UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1997-01-24 Diosbelys Hurtado Atlantic City, US W TKO 11
WBC Welterweight Title
1996-09-20 Wilfredo Rivera Miami, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1996-04-12 Wilfredo Rivera Cupecoy Bay, SX W SD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1995-11-18 Jake Rodriguez Atlantic City, US W KO 6
WBC Welterweight Title
1995-08-26 Gary Jacobs Atlantic City, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1995-03-04 Julio Cesar Vasquez Atlantic City, US W UD 12
WBA World Light Middleweight Title
1994-10-01 James McGirt Norfolk, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1994-04-09 Santos Cardona Norfolk, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1993-09-10 Julio Cesar Chavez San Antonio, US D MD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1993-03-06 James McGirt New York, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1992-12-01 Ben Baez Virginia Beach, US W KO 1
1992-07-18 Rafael Pineda Las Vegas, US W UD 12
IBF Light Welterweight Title
1992-05-22 Jerry Smith Mexico City, MX W KO 1
1992-01-18 Harold Brazier Philadelphia, US W UD 10
1991-10-05 Jorge Paez Reno, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
WBA World Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1991-07-27 Poli Diaz Norfolk, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
WBA World Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1991-02-23 Anthony Jones Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
WBA World Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1990-11-22 Benjie Marquez Madrid, ES W UD 10
1990-08-11 Juan Nazario Stateline, US W KO 1
WBC Lightweight Title
WBA World Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1990-05-19 Azumah Nelson Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1990-02-03 Freddie Pendleton Atlantic City, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1989-12-11 Martin Galvan Le Port-Marly, FR W TKO 3
1989-08-20 Jose Luis Ramirez Norfolk, US W UD 12
vacant WBC Lightweight Title
IBF Lightweight Title
1989-04-30 Louie Lomeli Norfolk, US W TKO 3
IBF Lightweight Title
1989-02-18 Greg Haugen Hampton, US W UD 12
IBF Lightweight Title
1988-11-02 Antonio Carter Virginia Beach, US W TKO 4
1988-03-12 Jose Luis Ramirez Levallois-Perret, FR L SD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
1987-12-19 Davey Montana Paris, FR W TKO 4
1987-07-25 Miguel Santana Norfolk, US W TKO 6
NABF Lightweight Title
USBA Lightweight Title
1987-06-28 Jim Flores Houston, US W TKO 1
1987-03-28 Roger Mayweather Norfolk, US W UD 12
NABF Lightweight Title
1986-12-20 Alfredo Layne Norfolk, US W UD 10
1986-10-09 Rafael Gandarilla New York, US W UD 10
1986-08-16 Rafael Williams Atlantic City, US W UD 10
1986-03-09 John Montes Hampton, US W UD 10
1985-11-12 Jesus De la Cruz Norville, US W TKO 1
1985-08-29 Teddy Hatfield Atlanta, US W KO 3
1985-07-20 John Senegal Norfolk, US W TKO 2
1985-04-20 Nick Parker Corpus Christi, US W UD 6
1985-03-13 Mike Golden Norfolk, US W TKO 4
1985-01-20 Danny Avery Atlantic City, US W TKO 4
1984-11-15 Farrain Comeaux New York, US W TKO 2

And now heres Floyd's record and comp highlighted his notible victories and 140 - 147 up to 154 list:
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
46-0, 26 KOs, 57% KO Ratio

2014-05-03 Marcos Rene Maidana 35-3-0 Las Vegas, US W MD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
WBA Super World Welterweight Title
2013-09-14 Saul Alvarez 42-0-1 Las Vegas, US W MD 12
WBC Light Middleweight Title
WBA Super World Light Middleweight Title
2013-05-04 Robert Guerrero 31-1-1 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
2012-05-05 Miguel Cotto 37-2-0 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBA Super World Light Middleweight Title
2011-09-17 Victor Ortiz 29-2-2 Las Vegas, US W KO 4
WBC Welterweight Title
2010-05-01 Shane Mosley 46-5-0 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
2009-09-19 Juan Manuel Marquez 50-4-1 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
2007-12-08 Ricky Hatton 43-0-0 Las Vegas, US W TKO 10
WBC Welterweight Title
2007-05-05 Oscar De La Hoya 38-4-0 Las Vegas, US W SD 12
WBC Light Middleweight Title
2006-11-04 Carlos Manuel Baldomir 43-9-6 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Welterweight Title
International Boxing Organization Welterweight Title
International Boxing Association Welterweight Title
2006-04-08 Zab Judah 34-3-0 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
IBF Welterweight Title
vacant International Boxing Organization Welterweight Title
2005-11-19 Sharmba Mitchell 56-4-0 Portland, US W TKO 6
2005-06-25 Arturo Gatti 39-6-0 Atlantic City, US W RTD 6
WBC Light Welterweight Title
2005-01-22 Henry Bruseles 21-2-1 Miami, US W TKO 8
2004-05-22 DeMarcus Corley 28-2-1 Atlantic City, US W UD 12
2003-11-01 Phillip Ndou 31-1-0 Grand Rapids, US W TKO 7
WBC Lightweight Title
2003-04-19 Victoriano Sosa 35-2-2 Fresno, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
2002-12-07 Jose Luis Castillo 46-5-1 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
2002-04-20 Jose Luis Castillo 45-4-1 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Lightweight Title
2001-11-10 Jesus Chavez 35-1-0 San Francisco, US W RTD 9
WBC Super Featherweight Title
2001-05-26 Carlos Hernandez 33-2-1 Grand Rapids, US W UD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
2001-01-20 Diego Corrales 33-0-0 Las Vegas, US W TKO 10
WBC Super Featherweight Title
2000-10-21 Emanuel Augustus 22-16-4 Detroit, US W TKO 9
2000-03-18 Gregorio Vargas 40-6-1 Las Vegas, US W UD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1999-09-11 Carlos Gerena 34-2-0 Las Vegas, US W RTD 7
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1999-05-22 Justin Juuko 33-2-1 Las Vegas, US W KO 9
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1999-02-17 Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios 44-2-1 Grand Rapids, US W UD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1998-12-19 Angel Manfredy 25-2-1 Miami, US W TKO 2
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1998-10-03 Genaro Hernandez 38-1-1 Las Vegas, US W RTD 8
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1998-06-14 Tony Pep 39-6-0 Atlantic City, US W UD 10
1998-04-18 Gustavo Fabian Cuello 20-7-0 Los Angeles, US W UD 10
1998-03-23 Miguel Melo 8-1-0 Mashantucket, US W TKO 3
1998-02-28 Sam Girard 17-4-1 Atlantic City, US W KO 2
1998-01-09 Hector Arroyo 16-4-2 Biloxi, US W TKO 5
1997-11-20 Angelo Nunez 14-11-3 Los Angeles, US W TKO 3
1997-10-14 Felipe Garcia 14-18-1 Boise, US W KO 6
1997-09-06 Louie Leija 18-3-1 El Paso, US W TKO 2
1997-07-12 Jesus Chavez 1-13-1 Biloxi, US W TKO 5
1997-06-14 Larry O'Shields 12-3-1 San Antonio, US W UD 6
1997-05-09 Tony Duran 12-15-1 Las Vegas, US W TKO 1
1997-04-12 Bobby Giepert 19-8-0 Las Vegas, US W KO 1
1997-03-12 Kino Rodriguez 9-9-2 Grand Rapids, US W TKO 1
1997-02-01 Edgar Ayala 0-0-0 Chula Vista, US W TKO 2
1997-01-18 Jerry Cooper 6-3-0 Las Vegas, US W TKO 1
1996-11-30 Reggie Sanders 1-1-0 Albuquerque, US W UD 4
1996-10-11 Roberto Apodaca 0-0-0 Las Vegas, US W TKO 2

 

[Postman Prat]

Putting Gatti, Maidana, Judah and Hatton on the same platform as Nelson and Chavez - check

Referencing the Chavez fight as a draw - check

Copying and pasting boxrec records - check


And some people here think this section isn't littered with clueless retards?

 

[boxasmash]

Just because Tim Bradley can't beat Floyd Mayweather, doesn't mean someone like Ray Leonard wouldn't find a way.

Mayweather is a great pure boxer but his style is like fencing, he doesn't load up with punches and just touches his opponents most of the time. He's been able to get away with that for most of his career. Ray would keep him occupied with his piston jab and prevent Mayweather from outboxing him before closing the distance and unloading on Floyd for a later stoppage.

 

[nastyleft]

Putting Gatti, Maidana, Judah and Hatton on the same platform as Nelson and Chavez - check

Referencing the Chavez fight as a draw - check

Copying and pasting boxrec records - check


And some people here think this section isn't littered with clueless retards?

Retard huh? match up Whitakers record and quality of opponents that he BEAT vs the guys Mayweather has fought and beaten and any decently knowledgable boxing person will notice that overall Mayweather's was better, along with his accomplishments and his longevity...

Now remember the argument is who fought better quality at a higher rate and WON. You started the discussion. If all you have is Chavez and Nelson to hold against everyone Floyd has fought than you're in a losing argument. If all you can do is look at facts listed as to who fought whom and try to denigrate the rebuttal with name calling, then again......you're in a losing argument and looking more like a trolling tool rather than someone that can support your points with intelligent debate.

Mind you, we're not talking about Pernell's skill and how he'd match-up with Floyd, cause I think it's a pretty even fight. But RECORDS and STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE is what you brought up, and in that case, I beg to differ.

Look man....this shit aint personal, so don't try to go there. You made a point and I'm disputing it, that's what forums are for. If that's all you got is insults and regurgitating what I said and trying to use it as some sort of clever "touche' back at cha" rebuttal, it only shows that you have nothing else to say and are out of your range. Stay in your lane rookie, you don't know me, you need to relax and get acquainted with this place before your newbie ass comes in here acting like you run shit.....

Now if you have a logical, concise argument as to why and what constitutes Pernell Whitaker's overal level of consistent competition trumps Floyd Mayweather Jr's; I look forward to hearing it.