This INCEL Thing is F’d Up

[luckyshot]

Apparently, in 2018, being an involuntarily celibate male is sufficient explanation for mass murder.

W... T... F...

1. There have always been involuntarily celibate males. They didn’t used to murder folks. What has changed?

2. This idea of an “incel” being a “problem” sort of presupposes the idea that extra marital sex is normal and good... I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that celibacy was the expected norm for unmarried people. Now it’s become a condition of sufficient pathology to justify murder? And are we really comfortable with the implication that teenage promiscuity is a GOOD thing— something that can prevent mass murder?

3. The whole incel idea seems to be the apogee of the “wronged white male” phenomenon that we see so commonly in internet discussion. These incels feel genuinely WRONGED that no women want to fuck them... despite the fact that they are, to all appearances, useless losers who have done NOTHING to make themselves suitable mates. How does this happen? How does a man lose perspective (or never have it) to this degree?

This whole incel this is like the inverted, cancerous image if the “safe space” phenomenon... How did men get so utterly fucked in the head?

 

[Fire Belly]

Back in my day we used to blame videogames for people going on shooting rampages.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I think it's a matter of the chicken or the egg with these folks.

Probably can't get laid becasue they're crazy. Probably if a chick actually approached them they would say nothing, adn walk off somewhere to pout about the unfair world.

 

[HIMBOB]

It's not even that rare.

Have a read of any thread concerning single mums.

I dispute it being a justification for mass murder though. Imo correlation not causation.

 

[Bamboozled]

You think people who are murderers are somehow rational.

That's where you're wrong kiddo

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Back in my day we blamed Marilyn Manson

 

[luckyshot]

You think people who are murderers are somehow rational.

That's where you're wrong kiddo

Not true. Read the diaries of the Columbine killers.

Murderers are rational.. or at least they have rationales.

Most murderers can tell you very clearly WHY they have done what they have done, and they are perfectly justified in their own minds. If you accept their premises, their conclusions follow. So they are perfectly “rational;” it’s just that their values are perverted.

 

[Lord_Impaler]

The profile of these kids always seems to be nearly identical, and all of them seem to be pretty clearly suffering from some severe Anti-social personality disorder.

Maybe their specific conditions are becoming more common for some reason, like autism.

Maybe something in the fabric of society has changed, and as a result children are becoming less equipped to deal with a tough life, or even a tragic life.

You could list off a thousand more reasons why it might be becoming more prevalent, it's an unknown combination of unknown factors.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Jokes set aside, I don't believe the whole incel explanation is an attempt to justify, or mitigate the actions of these coward pieces of shit, nor put the onus on women, somehow blaming them ...

I believe it's just an attempt to explain these horrendous crimes....

Personally, I have met many men who had a lot of pent up rage, because they couldn't get a GF, let alone laid.

They would say all the cliche shit like , "women are so fake and care about money..."

"Women are whores...they never go for the nice guys..."

 

[luckyshot]

The profile of these kids always seems to be nearly identical, and all of them seem to be pretty clearly suffering from some severe Anti-social personality disorder.

Maybe their specific conditions are becoming more common for some reason, like autism.

Maybe something in the fabric of society has changed, and as a result children are becoming less equipped to deal with a tough life, or even a tragic life.

You could list off a thousand more reasons why it might be becoming more prevalent, it's an unknown combination of unknown factors.

Agreed. But why are they murdering all of a sudden?

 

[S-dot]

The internet...in the past they were just alone, now they have echo chamber forums to talk to others like them and normalize their bitter hatred of society and their sick fantasies. Just like sherdog normalized my love of watching people agree to try and kill each other in a cage.

 

[InternetHero]

Agreed. But why they be murdering all of a sudden?

After Columbine, they found out they could be infamous and remembered for a while if they vented their evils onto innocents.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

It's a not white guy phenomenon -- hits Asian countries hard as well. It's why Japan/ Korea has one of the lowest murder / violent crime rates but has the highest percentage of crime that is focused against women.

 

[Fawlty]

For one thing, they have not until recently had a huge anonymous community to encourage each other into deeper mental illness (this is one reason that we need to ban all of these losers). They used to be loners. I don't know if that is the major cause, but it's my leading candidate.

 

[luckyshot]

After Columbine, they found out they could be infamous and remembered for a while if they vented their evils onto innocents.

I don’t buy that posthumous fame is that big of a motivator... after all, these kids are all atheistic nihilists... why should they care what other people think of them after that are dead?

 

[Lord_Impaler]

Agreed. But why are they murdering all of a sudden?

i don't know, like I said it's an unknown number of unknown factors. unknown

There are many theories from ssri medications to the media coverage they get to the effects of social media. They all make some decent sense.

 

[InternetHero]

I don’t buy that posthumous fame is that big of a motivator... after all, these kids are all atheistic nihilists... why should they care what other people think of them after that are dead?

Do these atheistic nihilists keep their thoughts to themselves, or tend to lay them out in so many blogs and manifestos aimed at other aggrieved atheistic nihilists?

Are their actions meant to be done in secret, or are the hatreds explicitly designed to be recognized?

If mere hatred is the motivator, a simple private killing would do.

They want to be heard, and a gunshot is their voice.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Apparently, in 2018, being an involuntarily celibate male is sufficient explanation for mass murder.


W... T... F...

WTF, indeed. Where is argued that involuntary celibacy is sufficient explanation for mass murder?

1. There have always been involuntarily celibate males. They didn’t used to murder folks. What has changed?

Depends on how far back you want to go, but if you go back far enough the answer is 'everything'.

2. This idea of an “incel” being a “problem” sort of presupposes the idea that extra marital sex is normal and good... I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that celibacy was the expected norm for unmarried people.

There is one thing that has changed. Nowadays everybody is expected to be having porn star sex all the time. Back in the day, nobody was.
There was a sense of normalcy around celibacy at one time. Now you're a freak/ loser if you're not getting laid at will.

Now it’s become a condition of sufficient pathology to justify murder? And are we really comfortable with the implication that teenage promiscuity is a GOOD thing— something that can prevent mass murder?

This is an unusual assumption. What are you basing it on?

3. The whole incel idea seems to be the apogee of the “wronged white male” phenomenon that we see so commonly in internet discussion.

Do we have data to suggest that INCELs is a racial phenomenon?
I know that involuntary celibacy has been associated with violence for a long time; particularly associated with radical Islam.

This is a 2006 article that discusses a Japanese book on the subject from 1994: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/25/terrorism.comment

There have been a lot of discussions around celibacy and radical Islam. Its not just involuntary celibacy, its a loss of self and purpose/shame (amongst other things). This pretty much destroys any angle this is a new, white, American problem.

These incels feel genuinely WRONGED that no women want to fuck them... despite the fact that they are, to all appearances, useless losers who have done NOTHING to make themselves suitable mates. How does this happen? How does a man lose perspective (or never have it) to this degree?

This whole incel this is like the inverted, cancerous image if the “safe space” phenomenon... How did men get so utterly fucked in the head?

Again, I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
You're making claims that these people have done "NOTHING" to make themselves suitable mates, but wonder why they're a little mad. Should be pretty easy to connect the dots of hopelessness to antisocial behavior.

And how do men get this fucked up indeed. We're noticing an uptick in depression and a lack of hope in the country juxtaposed against social media, porn, and celebrity reality television. INCELs are a very tiny, insignificant symptom of much more insidious problems.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I don’t buy that posthumous fame is that big of a motivator... after all, these kids are all atheistic nihilists... why should they care what other people think of them after that are dead?

Why would you accept that the Columbine killers were rational because they wrote a manifesto, but disagree with all the fame seeking attributed to these shooters?

 

[Neph]

I don’t buy that posthumous fame is that big of a motivator... after all, these kids are all atheistic nihilists... why should they care what other people think of them after that are dead?

Mass Shootings Are Contagious

A new analysis shows these incidents occur in clusters

No one knows why mass murderers commit their appalling deeds. But new evidence reinforces the idea that mass shootings, publicized in the media, may have a contagious effect.

Researchers at Arizona State University analyzed news reports of gun-related incidents from 1997 to 2013. They hypothesized that the rampages did not occur randomly over time but instead were clustered in patterns. The investigators applied a mathematical model and found that shootings that resulted in at least four deaths launched a period of contagion, marked by a heightened likelihood of more bloodshed, lasting an average of 13 days. Roughly 20 to 30 percent of all such violence took place in these windows.

Previous studies have shown that suicide can be similarly contagious. In one recent example, researchers found a correlation between celebrity suicides, like that of Robin Williams, and an increase in suicidal thoughts in an online Reddit suicide watch group for people battling depression.

“People are susceptible to information about these events, but the mechanism is less clear,” says Andres Gomez-Lievano, a co-author of the mass-shooting study, published in July in PLOS ONE. Where and when the news reports were published could have an effect on incidence, says Dan Romer, director of the Adolescent Communication Institute at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved with the study. It is important to note, he says, that “suicides will trigger others, so it makes sense that people who want to commit suicide while killing others could be influenced in the same way.” —Kat Long