This girl is a demon

[Renard]

Not a demon, just a real life mean girl. There's a lot of them but not this bad usually. Narcissistic, self-obsessed, attention-seeking, superficial, conniving, etc. Although a mean girl would find a way to hurt their intended target without getting their hands dirty, i.e. no trace of wrongdoing, this one's a dummy.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

She should get the same punishment the man would've gotten

Worse IMO. It should be whatever he would've gotten + extra years for wasting resources, time etc.

 

[cincymma79]

I actually know @fingercuffs isn't that person.

She’s wrong in every post ive ever seen from her. It’s impressive really. Her response to a woman choosing a guy at random to accuse of rape AND he effectively got punished for it was well sometimes people do rape. That’s what she posted. Just use the little arrows to follow the posts back if you like, as painful as the new format makes it to do so.

Nevermind all the black guys in jail for fake rape like the one who did something like 20 years for it. Good thing we don’t execute for rape like some of you want. That guy wouldn’t have just lost his youth.

So how about we just apply the same level of scrutiny we’d apply to say shoplifting?

 

[I Am Legion]

A false accusation for something as serious as this should carry all the same penalties as the crime she lied was committed.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Ok rape often has no witnesses or rock solid evidence as to whether there was consent or not. Or whether there even was sex, if the accusation doesn't come quickly after the supposed event. Which it often doesn't. However I think people underestimate the ability of policemen and women, with all their training and experience, to ascertain whether a rape accusation is likely to be true or not. Probably a lot of the time they are a mixture. CCTV, texts, eyewitnesses of how the accuser was acting with the acused before they lost sight of them, analysing the accuser's testimony, questioning, looking at the history of accuser and accused and so on. There are retired cops on this forum, although idk if any of them dealt with rapes.

I love and respect women and always believe them except in the rare case they are proven to be fibbing. However just to play Devil's Advocate, is it possible that the exceptionally low conversion rate of rape accusations to convictions is because a lot of the accusations are false? And the high conviction rate when a case goes to court, is because they only send cases to court in the unusual event there is solid evidence?

 

[White Whale]

She should be imprisoned or he should be able to sue her for everything she owns and force her to work to pay for anything he wants.

 

[Sara]

Did she make up the whole raps kidnap thing or just ivy him out of a line up cause he was “creepy”?

 

[Otto!]

She deserves whatever prison sentence he would have got, that shit sticks with you for life.

This 100%

 

[650lb Sumo]

Ok rape often has no witnesses or rock solid evidence as to whether there was consent or not. Or whether there even was sex, if the accusation doesn't come quickly after the supposed event. Which it often doesn't. However I think people underestimate the ability of policemen and women, with all their training and experience, to ascertain whether a rape accusation is likely to be true or not. Probably a lot of the time they are a mixture. CCTV, texts, eyewitnesses of how the accuser was acting with the acused before they lost sight of them, analysing the accuser's testimony, questioning, looking at the history of accuser and accused and so on. There are retired cops on this forum, although idk if any of them dealt with rapes.

I love and respect women and always believe them except in the rare case they are proven to be fibbing. However just to play Devil's Advocate, is it possible that the exceptionally low conversion rate of rape accusations to convictions is because a lot of the accusations are false? And the high conviction rate when a case goes to court, is because they only send cases to court in the unusual event there is solid evidence?

Why do so few rape cases go to court?

The number of reported rapes making it to court in England and Wales has continued to decline.

www.bbc.co.uk

The police have to gather enough evidence in order to refer a case to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) - the body that conducts criminal prosecutions in England and Wales.

But there has been an increase in the amount of evidence to consider - often from phones and social media.

This has made these cases more difficult for police, prosecutors and - in many cases - victims.

Victims' Commissioner Dame Vera Baird said some victims withdraw their complaints after being asked to hand over their phones so that data can be downloaded: "They cannot face the unwarranted and unacceptable intrusion into their privacy."

In the year to September 2021, just 1.3% of rape cases recorded by police resulted in a suspect being charged (or receiving a summons). This compares to a 7.1% charge rate for all other recorded crimes in the same period.

In 2018, the Director of Public Prosecutions, Alison Saunders, stepped down after several rape cases collapsed due to evidence not being disclosed to the defence.

 

[The XL]

Accusations should not be allowed to be prosecuted without evidence. Women can just make up stories and they're treated as legitimate

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

That's fucking vile. Not only to the poor innocent man but to all the real victims who already struggle to be heard and believed. Unforgivable and disgusting behavior

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I think the amount is larger than people believe and the only evidence I can give you is from divorce solicitors dealing with women gaming the system within the UK.

Nobody is going to own up to it and your not going to get anyone studying that sort of thing, because the narrative is still in the believe the accuser camp, besides how do you prove it.

If you want to catch real rapists and I think they're the scum of this earth, there needs to be more education on what a person should do after being raped, this really needs drilling into people's heads......

The other option, which is what seems to be the case, they keep lowering the bar to increase convictions rates, which means more miscarriages of justice.....

So you have no evidence whatsoever to back it up and are just doing it based on feelings...

And you didn't answer my question for the third time in a row. I'll ask again.

Do you think that more women are lying than are actually being raped? And do you have any evidence whatsoever to back that up against the massive amount of evidence you can Google freely anytime you want?

 

[William Huggins]

So you have no evidence whatsoever to back it up and are just doing it based on feelings...

And you didn't answer my question for the third time in a row. I'll ask again.

Do you think that more women are lying than are actually being raped? And do you have any evidence whatsoever to back that up against the massive amount of evidence you can Google freely anytime you want?

I've replied several times I believe that more women are lying about these acts than appears and show me the studies saying this is not the case. I've already told you I've spoken to several UK solicitors and this is more common than people think, specifically regarding divorce proceedings and is used to game the system.

If you allow a system that can be gamed by certain strategies, people will do it, especially when the system offers little chance of being caught, it's a winning strategy.....

Or are you so naive and believe the majority of people tell the truth because I can probably find you some studies that will show that people will cheat especially when there's literally 0 chance of getting caught.......

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I've replied several times I believe that more women are lying about these acts than appears and show me the studies saying this is not the case. I've already told you I've spoken to several UK solicitors and this is more common than people think, specifically regarding divorce proceedings and is used to game the system.

If you allow a system that can be gamed by certain strategies, people will do it, especially when the system offers little chance of being caught, it's a winning strategy.....

Or are you so naive and believe the majority of people tell the truth because I can probably find you some studies that will show that people will cheat especially when there's literally 0 chance of getting caught.......

Here's your last chance to honestly answer the question and I want everyone to see how direct it is.

Do you believe that more women are lying about being raped than actually being raped? If you do, what data do you have to support this??


This is the fourth or fifth time I've directly asked and you've chosen to avoid it.

 

[fingercuffs]

Looks like it's only a misdemeanor to do such a thing but you are right. Weird thing is she just randomly chose the guy.

"Urumova also said that she 'specifically targeted' and identified Pierson as her attacker because she had 'seen him and the truck in the past' and was able to describe him and the vehicle to the police."

It's so fucked up. But even without the internet of years ago men were torn apart after being exonerated for rape and murder. It's horrible.

 

[fingercuffs]

She’s wrong in every post ive ever seen from her. It’s impressive really. Her response to a woman choosing a guy at random to accuse of rape AND he effectively got punished for it was well sometimes people do rape. That’s what she posted. Just use the little arrows to follow the posts back if you like, as painful as the new format makes it to do so.

Nevermind all the black guys in jail for fake rape like the one who did something like 20 years for it. Good thing we don’t execute for rape like some of you want. That guy wouldn’t have just lost his youth.

So how about we just apply the same level of scrutiny we’d apply to say shoplifting?

So how about you read the first post response in the thread before getting your knickers in a twist, you effeminate fucking child.

 

[Cajun]

It's so fucked up. But even without the internet of years ago men were torn apart after being exonerated for rape and murder. It's horrible.

Or left convicted.... yeah it's a terrible thing that should have more consequences than a misdemeanor charge. You can ruin someone's life with it and also make actual rape victims less believed.

 

[fingercuffs]

Or left convicted.... yeah it's a terrible thing that should have more consequences than a misdemeanor charge. You can ruin someone's life with it and also make actual rape victims less believed.

VERY less believed. Hence why very few do come forward after rape. This adds to it so terribly.

Flip side, I watched a show about the Wimbledon Commons murder the other day with a guy who the cops thought was the murderer rapist so they put a sting on him. They had a tiny shred of flimsy evidence on him and they were so wrong. He got 700,000 out of it but his life was ruined. Everyone thought he got away with murder even though he did nothing. Even after decades later someone confessed he was still ridiculed.

 

[Cajun]

VERY less believed. Hence why very few do come forward after rape. This adds to it so terribly.

Flip side, I watched a show about the Wimbledon Commons murder the other day with a guy who the cops thought was the murderer rapist so they put a sting on him. They had a tiny shred of flimsy evidence on him and they were so wrong. He got 700,000 out of it but his life was ruined. Everyone thought he got away with murder even though he did nothing. Even after decades later someone confessed he was still ridiculed.

Yeah... its hard to fix. Women who are raped need to get to the hospital immediately. But even bruises can be faked. No real solution imo but just trying to safeguard as much as possible. Lie detectors aren't admissible... so it's complicated no doubt. I can't imagine some woman seeing me a few times and labeling me a rapist. Terrible stuff.

 

[fingercuffs]

Yeah... its hard to fix. Women who are raped need to get to the hospital immediately. But even bruises can be faked. No real solution imo but just trying to safeguard as much as possible. Lie detectors aren't admissible... so it's complicated no doubt. I can't imagine some woman seeing me a few times and labeling me a rapist. Terrible stuff.

Difficult, people react differently after being raped. It's not black and white.