Economy The Western housing crisis

Not maybe, I used to flip homes. It's a fact.
Sure it is. I bought my current house during the 2022 rush. I was personally involved in a dozen bidding wars and never did someone ask to go to another round.

Why do you doubt it, Blackrock has been buying up blocks of properties. When they said you will own nothing, they never said you won't pay rent forever.
Thats nothing new. It sounds like you're just imagining up a bunch of scenarios where everyone is worse off because boomers are made to pay their property taxes like everyone else.
 
Sure it is. I bought my current house during the 2022 rush. I was personally involved in a dozen bidding wars and never did someone ask to go to another round.


Thats nothing new. It sounds like you're just imagining up a bunch of scenarios where everyone is worse off because boomers are made to pay their property taxes like everyone else.
@EL CORINTHIAN , sorry to bother you but is it true that bidders in the Toronto market were sometimes asked to go through another round of bids, Mr Holmes doesn't believe it.


And you're hoping that elderly people lose their homes so yours can be more affordable. We'll see how you feel about property taxes once you pay them for 30 years or so.
 
@EL CORINTHIAN , sorry to bother you but is it true that bidders in the Toronto market were sometimes asked to go through another round of bids, Mr Holmes doesn't believe it.
Actually I said things might be different in Canada.

And you're hoping that elderly people lose their homes so yours can be more affordable. We'll see how you feel about property taxes once you pay them for 30 years or so.
I'm hoping boomers who have benefited the most from the market pay their taxes. Did you watch the video? Any arguments against what Sagar said?
 
@EL CORINTHIAN , sorry to bother you but is it true that bidders in the Toronto market were sometimes asked to go through another round of bids, Mr Holmes doesn't believe it.


And you're hoping that elderly people lose their homes so yours can be more affordable. We'll see how you feel about property taxes once you pay them for 30 years or so.
It is unfortunately true. Toronto's market is beyond fucked.
 
Actually I said things might be different in Canada.


I'm hoping boomers who have benefited the most from the market pay their taxes. Did you watch the video? Any arguments against what Sagar said?
Yes boomers have already paid their taxes for 30 years plus, enough is enough. It wasn't the boomers that inflated the cost of homes, it was your politicians, home builders, ridiculous regulations, unions, red tape, zoning laws, etc. why shouldn't a person live out the rest of their lives in the comfort of their long term home?

Also how did they benefit most from the market? It's all relative, if a boomer sells his home in today's market he also has to buy another in today's market, he doesn't get to pocket that money. Now if he bought a few homes that's a different story.
 
I get at least 4 calls a week from cold callers looking to middle man my props to blackrocl type groups.

I remember when blackrock first popped onto my radar I was working for Morgan Stanley and they were pushing mutual funds. Nobody wanted anything to do with them at the time.

It's crazy how far they've come in 15 years. They are probably quietly majority backed by a foreign country or group or policy shapers with deep pockets.
 
@Sinister - I can't find the thread but I'm pretty sure you and I shared some mutual disgust for the boomers. Now they're trying to weasel out of paying property taxes.



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Saagar is wrong, i didn’t watch the whole thing but enough to get the gist of it

I may make some mistakes along the way but here it goes

Boomers pay lower property taxes than current gen, they bought homes for less, in California i can give real numbers for comparable properties, 3600 vs 11000…. 3600 is owned by the boomer.

What it funds is independent of the purpose

Everyone pays for property taxes, and unless you’re on section 8, low income renters pay probably the most. Rent is so darn high and one of the largest contributing factors is property taxes
 
It's BS. Ireland has a shit tonne of vacant properties and land space that doesn't get used. The Netherlands has complexes of apartment blocks that are mostly empty. At night time you can see rows of buildings with no lights on. They are being held by speculators and foreign scalping groups and then the prices are being inflated.
 
Yes boomers have already paid their taxes for 30 years plus, enough is enough. It wasn't the boomers that inflated the cost of homes, it was your politicians, home builders, ridiculous regulations, unions, red tape, zoning laws, etc. why shouldn't a person live out the rest of their lives in the comfort of their long term home?
As Saagar points out they will receive nearly double from the system than what they put in. Regardless of who's fault it is they've benefitted the most. You think the rest of us should pay more taxes to cover them? Young people are getting screwed over here.

It's all relative, if a boomer sells his home in today's market he also has to buy another in today's market, he doesn't get to pocket that money. Now if he bought a few homes that's a different story.
They can down size and go live in a condo.
 
As Saagar points out they will receive nearly double from the system than what they put in. Regardless of who's fault it is they've benefitted the most. You think the rest of us should pay more taxes to cover them? Young people are getting screwed over here.


They can down size and go live in a condo.
How will they recieve more than double, from old age pensions? They paid more into that than they will ever recieve back, and you can't realistically say regardless of whose fault, and be serious. Yes young people are getting screwed over but again it's not boomers fault. I have kids too, they might be in an even worse situation than the current generation.

You down size and live in a condo, see if it meets your needs, entitled much?
 
How do you weasel out of paying property taxes if you've already paid till 65? How about they're probably on a fixxed income and can't afford it, shouldn't they be able to live in the home which took 20-25 years to pay off?
No, if they can't afford it they should sell it and downsize, have one of their adult children move in to help pay, or get a part time job.
 
I warned everyone i knew about this coming in 2021 when a bunch of folks here laughed at me for remortgaging on a 10 year fixed Instead of a 5 year variable.

The poor folks who went all in on a house at 5 year fixed in 2021 at 2% and overextended better hope their wages kept up. But they didn't since we also went all in on tripling immigration and fast tracking students to PR instead of raising wages, further straining the housing pool and keeping wages down. God forbid corporations have to pay more to get people to work when they can use their lobbyist cheat codes to influence government to fill the market with cheap labor.
 
How will they recieve more than double, from old age pensions? They paid more into that than they will ever recieve back,
That was in the video. Medicare, social security, etc.

You down size and live in a condo, see if it meets your needs, entitled much?
Nah, I'm thinking of up sizing. I'll have to pay more in taxes but thats life.
 
No, if they can't afford it they should sell it and downsize, have one of their adult children move in to help pay, or get a part time job.
Ok, and if they can afford it they can have as many as they like and shouldn't be taxed extra for having multiple homes which IS happening in this market. And when the rents go up so the owners of multiple homes can keep their primary residence afloat, don't bitch and cry that they're just a bunch of greedy slumlords.

Edit: Also no parent wants their adult child, especially, moving back in.
 
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That was in the video. Medicare, social security, etc.


Nah, I'm thinking of up sizing. I'll have to pay more in taxes but thats life.
So then these people paid into those systems already didn't they? It was deducted prom their paychecks for years.

Good for you bro size up all you want, just remember the bigger the house the more cleaning ya gotta do.
 
I warned everyone i knew about this coming in 2021 when a bunch of folks here laughed at me for remortgaging on a 10 year fixed Instead of a 5 year variable.

The poor folks who went all in on a house at 5 year fixed in 2021 at 2% and overextended better hope their wages kept up. But they didn't since we also went all in on tripling immigration and fast tracking students to PR instead of raising wages, further straining the housing pool and keeping wages down. God forbid corporations have to pay more to get people to work when they can use their lobbyist cheat codes to influence government to fill the market with cheap labor.
I recall you posting this before, I called you a genius back then.
 
I warned everyone i knew about this coming in 2021 when a bunch of folks here laughed at me for remortgaging on a 10 year fixed Instead of a 5 year variable.

The poor folks who went all in on a house at 5 year fixed in 2021 at 2% and overextended better hope their wages kept up. But they didn't since we also went all in on tripling immigration and fast tracking students to PR instead of raising wages, further straining the housing pool and keeping wages down. God forbid corporations have to pay more to get people to work when they can use their lobbyist cheat codes to influence government to fill the market with cheap labor.

I didn't even know anyone did variable. I only knew one girl I was talking to who was on a variable and I've always wondered how things were going for her now.
 
Ok, and if they can afford it they can have as many as they like and shouldn't be taxed extra for having multiple homes which IS happening in this market.
Not going to comment on that tax as I'm not aware of the details. I'm okay with allowing some relief for taxes on a primary residence so I'd probably disagree with not taxing their other homes extra since the whole point is to favor those living in their homes.
And when the rents go up so the owners of multiple homes can keep their primary residence afloat, don't bitch and cry that they're just a bunch of greedy slumlords.
One option that I didn't mention is to build an accessory dwelling unit on the property and either renting the ADU itself or moving into it and renting the primary house. That way they can remain on their property while adding more housing to the market.

If they're actually slumlords and only buying rental properties without investing in them and generally shirking on their maintenance, instead taking advantage of rising land values to extract more rent, then its scummy and imo that's why we should have a tax on the value of land instead of a property tax since it punishes rent seekers like slumlords while rewarding those who create value through investments.
 
I didn't even know anyone did variable. I only knew one girl I was talking to who was on a variable and I've always wondered how things were going for her now.
I think he's Canadian so they don't have government backed fixed rate mortgages up there like we do in the US IIRC.
 
Edit: Also no parent wants their adult child, especially, moving back in.
So? If you can't afford your house getting a roommate to bolster household income is natural and older parents living with adult children, especially if they have grandkids, is hardly uncommon. You're not entitled to live on a given plot of land that you can't afford without having to make any trade offs for it.
 
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