Opinion The War Room Bet Thread V7

[HereticBD]

Ah, I see the issue. Heretic has a history of wild irrationality when it comes to Trump (not that I'd bet against him winning the nomination--should be an interesting test of how influential GOP elites are if they unite behind a candidate). I also wouldn't do the bet just because Heretic is so dumb and unpleasant (for example--LOL).

You wouldn't know anything about having pride before the fall, now would you Jackie, you economic genius you...

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-inflation-highest-in-40-years.4174726/page-3

LOL

 

[HereticBD]

Do we still have a possible bet here?

Sure, if he wants to.

 

[Lead]

Sure, if he wants to.

Sig or av?
Length of reward punishment?
@Andy Capp

 

[HereticBD]

Sig or av?
Length of reward punishment?
@Andy Capp

I'm pretty much settled on three to six month sig bets from here on out for everything.

 

[Andy Capp]

Sig or av?
Length of reward punishment?
@Andy Capp

I'm pretty much settled on three to six month sig bets from here on out for everything.

3-6 months, sig only? Seems like a silly stricture, but OK, 3 months sig bet on whether Trump is selected the 2024 Republican presidential candidate for the general election. If not, I win, and I'd say if he dies before that it should also be decided in my favor--to balance the terms you insist upon, and if he wins the nomination for Republican candidate I lose.

I would like to know of any presumed or explicit limitation on what could be imposed as a sig, however, whether by Sherdog moderation or mutual agreement amongst ourselves.

 

[Andy Capp]

Sig or av?
Length of reward punishment?
@Andy Capp

By the way, for some reason I didn't notice the notification of this tag if there was one, just FTR.

 

[LMP]

Canadians betting on American politics.

 

[Lead]

@HereticBD v. @Andy Capp
1. Donald Trump will be the 2024 Republican nominee for president.
2. @HereticBD- for @Andy Capp - against
3. Official Announcement at the 2024 Republican National Convention (around July 2024)
4. Signature bet
5. 3 months

If you guys could quote and okay this post, I’ll make it official.

@Andy Capp, in terms of what an acceptable sig is, you can ask mods about that if you were concerned if it can be used or not. That’s the only way I could see you getting some assurance.

 

[Andy Capp]

@HereticBD v. @Andy Capp
1. Donald Trump will be the 2024 Republican nominee for president.
2. @HereticBD- for @Andy Capp - against
3. Official Announcement at the 2024 Republican National Convention (around July 2024)
4. Signature bet
5. 3 months

If you guys could quote and okay this post, I’ll make it official.

@Andy Capp, in terms of what an acceptable sig is, you can ask mods about that if you were concerned if it can be used or not. That’s the only way I could see you getting some assurance.

 

[Andy Capp]

Canadians betting on American politics.

Well, you know how it is. Sometimes spectators just want to be in the game.

 

[HereticBD]

3-6 months, sig only? Seems like a silly stricture, but OK, 3 months sig bet on whether Trump is selected the 2024 Republican presidential candidate for the general election. If not, I win, and I'd say if he dies before that it should also be decided in my favor--to balance the terms you insist upon, and if he wins the nomination for Republican candidate I lose.

I would like to know of any presumed or explicit limitation on what could be imposed as a sig, however, whether by Sherdog moderation or mutual agreement amongst ourselves.

No, you don't get the death clause, lol. If he dies, the bet is off. Other than that, we're good.

As for the sig, just keep it within the rules.

 

[Andy Capp]

No, you don't get the death clause, lol. If he dies, the bet is off. Other than that, we're good.

As for the sig, just keep it within the rules.

@Lead it's on.

 

[Lead]

No, you don't get the death clause, lol. If he dies, the bet is off. Other than that, we're good.

As for the sig, just keep it within the rules.

This comment concerns me because had the bet premise above went through and Trump died, Andy would’ve won so any specific events to call the bet null need to be outlined here. I will add the death one but is there anything else? For example, if Trump announces he will not be seeking the nomination at all, would that result in Andy being the winner?

 

[Lead]

I’m big on taking the bet statement on its face so exceptions really need to be outlined here or you could find yourselves not with a mutual understanding and someone feeling cheated.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I’m big on taking the bet statement on its face so exceptions really need to be outlined here or you could find yourselves not with a mutual understanding and someone feeling cheated.

Andy just shouldn't have mentioned it. The bet was just about whether he becomes the nominee. If there were no mention of it, it would be uncontroversial. Heretic is impossible to deal with on stuff like that because he's such an angry, brick-headed dude. We had this whole thing where I brought up the fact that Trump was unlikely to concede, and would claim that the election was rigged, which Heretic said was crazy to even speculate about (BTW, it's hilarious looking back on old threads--example-- and seeing people predict exactly what would happen while the usual hacks were insisting that it was just insane--"delusional speculation"--to even think that Trump would try to deny a loss).

 

[Lead]

Andy just shouldn't have mentioned it. The bet was just about whether he becomes the nominee. If there were no mention of it, it would be uncontroversial. Heretic is impossible to deal with on stuff like that because he's such an angry, brick-headed dude. We had this whole thing where I brought up the fact that Trump was unlikely to concede, and would claim that the election was rigged, which Heretic said was crazy to even speculate about (BTW, it's hilarious looking back on old threads--example-- and seeing people predict exactly what would happen while the usual hacks were insisting that it was just insane--"delusional speculation"--to even think that Trump would try to deny a loss).

I don’t mind it was brought up because I think the goal I have as an officiate is to get the closest mutual understanding of the bet between all parties which should then result in fewer or hopefully no disputes when the bet is called. Keeping it to the statement presented unless a specific line states reasons for a null bet keeps it objective as possible. Like in that last format, there was nothing about death mentioned so I’d move forward with the statement as is that he didn’t win the nomination. To a degree, there’s always some unpredictability to unforeseen events but that is why the person has to either get it stated in the bet itself or accept those probabilities.

 

[HereticBD]

This comment concerns me because had the bet premise above went through and Trump died, Andy would’ve won so any specific events to call the bet null need to be outlined here. I will add the death one but is there anything else? For example, if Trump announces he will not be seeking the nomination at all, would that result in Andy being the winner?

We just wait it out to the date of the deadline with whatever happens in between. Don't force anyone to concede before it's official, unless they volunteer to. Same deal would be if DeSantis and others announced they weren't running and started endorsing Trump. If he's there, he's there. If he's not, he's not. Winner/loser is declared accordingly on that date.

Only other stipulation other than death, would be serious injury/illness that prevents him from running. Act of God type shit, like cancer or getting mangled in a car wreck or whatever. Not if he sprains or ankle or some shit and makes that an excuse. I'll be reasonable and concede if that's the case.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don’t mind it was brought up because I think the goal I have as an officiate is to get the closest mutual understanding of the bet between all parties which should then result in fewer or hopefully no disputes when the bet is called. Keeping it to the statement presented unless a specific line states reasons for a null bet keeps it objective as possible. Like in that last format, there was nothing about death mentioned so I’d move forward with the statement as is that he didn’t win the nomination. To a degree, there’s always some unpredictability to unforeseen events but that is why the person has to either get it stated in the bet itself or accept those probabilities.

Yeah, just saying that it wasn't brought up before the bet was agreed to. If it never came up until it happened, it would be totally uncontroversial. But since Andy brought it up, and Heretic is pathologically unpleasant, it becomes a thing. I think it's a clear case of too damned bad (and of Heretic trying to welch already).

 

[Andy Capp]

Andy just shouldn't have mentioned it. The bet was just about whether he becomes the nominee. If there were no mention of it, it would be uncontroversial. Heretic is impossible to deal with on stuff like that because he's such an angry, brick-headed dude. We had this whole thing where I brought up the fact that Trump was unlikely to concede, and would claim that the election was rigged, which Heretic said was crazy to even speculate about (BTW, it's hilarious looking back on old threads--example-- and seeing people predict exactly what would happen while the usual hacks were insisting that it was just insane--"delusional speculation"--to even think that Trump would try to deny a loss).

True, but as it happens I'm occasionally too honest for my own good so I'm used to it.

I like to win but I value self-respect more.

This comment concerns me because had the bet premise above went through and Trump died, Andy would’ve won so any specific events to call the bet null need to be outlined here. I will add the death one but is there anything else? For example, if Trump announces he will not be seeking the nomination at all, would that result in Andy being the winner?

This is why I am making the bet now. So, if Heretic will now claim that the bet is null if Trump never even runs for the Republican nomination then the bet is off, so thanks for being so thorough.

Or else, we could both just agree with @Jack V Savage* and make it: Trump is the nominee, yes or no, period, no exceptions, which is what we agreed to originally. But I think @HereticBD is too much of a milquetoast to accept that despite his professed confidence in the outcome*.

*

 

[Jack V Savage]

True, but as it happens I'm occasionally too honest for my own good so I'm used to it.

I like to win but I value self-respect more.

This is why I am making the bet now. So, if Heretic will now claim that the bet is null if Trump never even runs for the Republican nomination then the bet is off, so thank for being so thorough.

Or else, we could both just agree with @Jack V Savage* and make it: Trump is the nominee, yes or no, period, no exceptions, which is what we agreed to originally. But I think @HereticBD is too much of a milquetoast to accept that despite his professed confidence in the outcome*.

*

The whole thing is stupid. Does Heretic think Trump is going to be the nominee and with enough confidence that he'll bet on it? It's not a crazy claim on its own, and if he insists on ruling out two of the big obstacles, his odds get much better, but the dispute has much less meaning.