The Vale Tudo Guard

[KneeShield]

It's a bit different, Helio vs Carlson lineage. Sperry seems to advocate the distance game more with the scissor sweep style guard and going to de la riva when they stand. Both are good though. I like Sperry's DLR series when they stand, but I like how Rener & Ryron have made their punch blocks into a system

Some of you might like this too, its about using RDLR for mma, but its half guard as far as im concerned!

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Thanks enjoyed watching that! I like to play that guard a fair bit, interesting to see ideas for when strikes are involved

 

[Gambledub]

Thanks enjoyed watching that! I like to play that guard a fair bit, interesting to see ideas for when strikes are involved

I have a few more videos on that guard in a mma setting, i'll try dig them up.

 

[SummerStriker]

How and when do you stand up from the vale tudo guard?

For a long time i thought the game was to kick them back and perform a technical stand up.

Anymore, I think the the pressure between your feet and the hips of the standing opponent should be mostly generated by the standing man, and if he lets up, you stand straight up into his shots, take them like a man, and get back to it.

Anyone have some opinions or pointers?

 

[KneeShield]

I have a few more videos on that guard in a mma setting, i'll try dig them up.

Please do

 

[snowman22]

"The rest is bullshit man..." lol

The rest doesn't exist.

 

[snowman22]

he's in brazil or where ever

ahahahaha

 

[Gambledub]

How and when do you stand up from the vale tudo guard?

For a long time i thought the game was to kick them back and perform a technical stand up.

Anymore, I think the the pressure between your feet and the hips of the standing opponent should be mostly generated by the standing man, and if he lets up, you stand straight up into his shots, take them like a man, and get back to it.

Anyone have some opinions or pointers?

I think it depends on what vale tudo guard your talking about, i've seen at least 3 different guards referred to as "the vale tudo guard"

 

[Acrobaleno]

It's a bit different, Helio vs Carlson lineage. Sperry seems to advocate the distance game more with the scissor sweep style guard and going to de la riva when they stand. Both are good though. I like Sperry's DLR series when they stand, but I like how Rener & Ryron have made their punch blocks into a system

Some of you might like this too, its about using RDLR for mma, but its half guard as far as im concerned!

[YT]50ee_bM99ME[/YT]

DLR for MMA?! Where can I see that?

 

[Gambledub]

Please do

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[Gambledub]

DLR for MMA?! Where can I see that?

Aoki used it in one of his fights to nail someone with upkicks (cant remember who though)

Push/stomp their hip to keep them away, or push/stomp their thigh/just above the knee to break their balance bringing their wrists and head close.

Use it to keep distance to avoid punches

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Stomp above the knee to make them post to avoid falling and grab the wrist, or wait for them to get sloppy punching the face, or trying to push your legs down to capture the wrist

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You can attack with up kicks with or without wrist control, either teep style or heel swing kicks to the face, body and legs. You can also use up kicks to create space for a technical stand up, to block/counter punches, to draw down the hands to capture the wrist or to set up sweeps and takedowns

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With the wrist you can easily target the face

 

[Gambledub]

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If you have their far wrist, push/stomp out their far leg to sweep them

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If you have the near wrist attack with the hook sweep, if they move their rear leg to far away, attack with the switch sweep (also known as the sickle and tomahawk sweeps). If they move their foot back from the switch sweep, attack with single leg x guard or a knee reap. If they move their foot back further their head should be low enough to attack with up kicks.

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Mario Sperry's set has a lot of attacks from here, as does John Frankl's seminar put out by Straight Blast Gym, BJ Penn also has some good stuff for DLR in MMA in his MMA book.

 

[SummerStriker]

I really like and appreciate a lot of this stuff. I'd have to practice it in person to really understand it.

In my experience, a lot of these interesting open guard for MMA defenses don't exist much against people I spar.

The normal scenario is for the grounded man to be on his back, trying to get his feet on the standing man's hips. The standing man doesn't comply, and simply backs up, unwilling to apply pressure against his feet. He may grip fight, trying to grab ankles, back up, kick the lower legs or circle, usually some combination. If not, he will attempt to simply stand over the grounded fighter, not attacking, not engaging. If the grounded fighters moves up, he circles a little. If he shrimps away, he chases.

Then, when the mood strikes him, he throws a lunging overhand right, collapsing heavily into whatever guard position he finds himself in.

The situation of someone simply standing over you, unwilling to rush in to strike but not letting you stand up, is resolved in MMA by the ref finding it boring and forcing the stand up.

For self defense or any fight where the ref isn't concerned about forcing a stand up, it doesn't seem like there is a good alternative so just standing up and attempting to defend whatever strike comes at you. The alternative is the guy jumping on your with an overhand right.

 

[Acrobaleno]

Really nice stuff! Didn't know there still a way for a bjj practitioner to fight if the opp stands up. I have my doubts though if it will work if groin shots are involved.

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Good thing you could also kick them to the groin

 

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[SBJ]

Go to Gracie University and watch the 5 positions Ryron and Rener break down for punch defense - best vale tudo guard around

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Gracie University Punch Block Series 1-4
Demonstrated by www.gracienepa.com

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Gracie University Punch Block Series 1-4
Demonstrated by SundarBJJ

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Stage 2 Punch Block from Guard position


Stage 3 Punch Block from Guard position


Stage 4 Punch Block from Guard position
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[ThatBJJGuy]

Go to Gracie University and watch the 5 positions Ryron and Rener break down for punch defense - best vale tudo guard around

why would you learn from two guys who have never been in a real fight.

they lived a pampered lifestyle lol

 

[Uchi Mata]

why would you learn from two guys who have never been in a real fight.

they lived a pampered lifestyle lol

They do train pro fighters. I can't stand those two but I believe they have some good stuff on this question.

Personally, what my team has been breaking down a lot lately is how to use a tight knee shield to create space and offbalance the top man (G rolls, basically) and using his forward pressure to release the knee shield and go deep with an underhook right into a Leite style wrestle-jitsu half, along with some DLR-X stuff against standing. Seems to be working well so far.

 

[Concrete Whale]

How come no one is talking about leg locks?

 

[SummerStriker]

Stage 3 is rough. It's ok for like, .2 seconds to protect your nuts while going from 2-4, but that's it.

If your training partner is strong at all and doesn't know that they are suppose to respect your defense at 3, they will just lift you up and smash your neck or start tombstone pile driving the top of your head into the ground.