Law The Trump administration is officially moving to overturn a law that requires clergy to report child sexual abuse, saying it violates priests' constit

[AZ103]

What rules did that post break??

Before your edit it appeared to me you were accusing a poster here.

 

[dildos]

Before your edit it appeared to me you were accusing a poster here.

Sorry buds. I def didn’t do that to a poster. And I never would.

 

[ShadowRun]

This is not an effective argument. This is akin to when the left says the right only cares about children before they are born because they wont ban guns to stop school shootings. Its a conflation of two seperate issues.

And wjhile i do agree that if youre for either transitioning kids or preists not being required to report abuse you arent an advocate for childrens saftey, you yourself are defending the church in here. Isnt that a self own? Youre not morally consistent either.

Where is my defense of the church ? Sounds like you’re projecting here . I’m pointing the lack of consistency from the left in this thread . It’s a poor man’s virtual signaling and that’s why the blue names are all over it . That’s their style

What is said before because OP is misleading

It's about the confessions not the priest that touch kids.



"closing a previous exemption that allowed clergy to withhold information learned during confidential religious confessions"

It's from Washington state's Senate Bill 5375, passed in 2023.

A federal judge granted a preliminary injunction on July 18, 2025, temporarily blocking the law's enforcement against Catholic priests in the Seattle, Yakima, and Spokane dioceses.

The Trump administration’s DOJ intervened in a lawsuit filed by Catholic bishops, arguing that the law violates First Amendment religious freedom protections by compelling clergy to break sacred confidentiality, particularly for Catholic priests who face excommunication for violating the seal of confession.


They don't report murder confessions, other crimes. Perhaps they should but it's about the first amendment it looks like.

 

[ShadowRun]

Sorry buds. I def didn’t do that to a poster. And I never would.

Yea be careful they don’t play around with the P word talks and all that . They kind of pick and choose when to enforce the rules though

 

[AZ103]

Where is my defense of the church ? Sounds like you’re projecting here . I’m pointing the lack of consistency from the left in this thread . It’s a poor man’s virtual signaling and that’s why the blue names are all over it . That’s their style

What is said before because OP is misleading

It's about the confessions not the priest that touch kids.



"closing a previous exemption that allowed clergy to withhold information learned during confidential religious confessions"

It's from Washington state's Senate Bill 5375, passed in 2023.

A federal judge granted a preliminary injunction on July 18, 2025, temporarily blocking the law's enforcement against Catholic priests in the Seattle, Yakima, and Spokane dioceses.

The Trump administration’s DOJ intervened in a lawsuit filed by Catholic bishops, arguing that the law violates First Amendment religious freedom protections by compelling clergy to break sacred confidentiality, particularly for Catholic priests who face excommunication for violating the seal of confession.


They don't report murder confessions, other crimes. Perhaps they should but it's about the first amendment it looks like.

There is no perhaps about it. You can not claim to hold the keys to morality and then run conver for the most disgusting crimes an individual can comit. If you arent outright defending the church youre at a minimum being mealy mouthed about the situation. You dont say perhaps we shouldnt transition children you outright take a stance. Why not do the same here? Either childrens saftey is a priority or the privacy of criminals is priority, which is it?

 

[Barteh]

Freedom of religion is a thing, it's not that complicated.

Besides that, it practically doesn't make any sense at all. What is it really gonna change? It's gonna be impossible to prove in court that a priest heard a confession and then didn't report it.

 

[Rod1]

It's also a big can of worms to create a legal Avenue to systemically abuse children by having it become a standard practice in your religion,

What? since when is fucking children a standard practice of Catholicism?

and then also having not turning practitioners in to Civil Authorities as a tenet of your religion. This is why those FLDS Cousin-f*ckers moved down there to Mexico. Some of them were taking very young brides, as well as being polygamists, both illegal. They put themselves in a very bad legal spot and the Mormons are very big on not turning in their sexual predators to authorities, there have been a few documentaries about this.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever considering polygamy is also illegal in Mexico if they moved South was probably because Mexican authorities wanted colonists to work undeveloped land.

@DoctorTaco and I are both mandatory reporters, and we have to do annual SafeSport classes to retain our licensing through USA Boxing.

A license is a privilege not a right, and as you pointed out, you need to go through actual training to be able to do it.

This was on the heels of that USA Gymnastics Doctor who was banging underaged athletes. The problem wasnt JUST him, the problem was other people knew about it and were protecting him.

If people knew about it and were protecting him they are already liable via aiding and abetting laws.

 

[nostradumbass]

Again you bring up Bluesky lol

This is a real thing, it has nothing to do with bluesky , attacking the source won't work.

Curious, are you always on the side of protecting p doughs ?

Um, the OP is literally a bluesky post from Brian Tyler Cohen, quoting his own bluesky post that is intentionally lying about both the law and the lawsuit, you total idiot. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that you keep getting duped by propaganda.

Some hard projection ITT. The law is not even a philia law, it's a law about prosecuting priests who don't try to have their parishioners' kids taken away for confessing and asking for forgiveness if they overdiscipline or haven't paid enough attention to their child, which for some reason you all hear and immediately think of sex with children. Sexual abuse is only 11% of child abuse. If you or they would like to make "reporting philes" the law, then make that the law instead of pretending that's what it is when 90% of it is trying to turn a religious confessional into a snitch hotline to open up CPS cases to get someone's kids taken away for subjective claims of "neglect" or overdiscipling.


Nationally, neglect is the most common form of abuse. Three-fourths (74%) of victims are neglected, 17% are physically abused, 11% are sexually abused, and 0.2% are sex trafficked.


Just goddamn rich watching you idiots overcompensate by calling everyone "philes" after spending the last decade trying to defend softening the language from "phile" to "minor attracted persons", transing kids, creepy teachers demanding to talk about kids' sex lives with them and keep it secret from the parents, giving kids gay porn, drag queen story hour, sending kids to "pride parades" with a bunch of sex offenders in thongs groping each other to techno music in the middle of street, and vehemently objecting to any age verification for hardcore pornography.

 

[Snubnoze707]

What? since when is fucking children a standard practice of Catholicism?

Right around the 1st Millennium AD.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Um, the OP is literally a bluesky post from Brian Tyler Cohen, quoting his own bluesky post that is intentionally lying about both the law and the lawsuit, you total idiot. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that you keep getting duped by propaganda.

Some hard projection ITT. The law is not even a philia law, it's a law about prosecuting priests who don't try to have their parishioners' kids taken away for confessing and asking for forgiveness if they overdiscipline or haven't paid enough attention to their child, which for some reason you all hear and immediately think of sex with children. Sexual abuse is only 11% of child abuse. If you or they would like to make "reporting philes" the law, then make that the law instead of pretending that's what it is when 90% of it is trying to turn a religious confessional into a snitch hotline to open up CPS cases to get someone's kids taken away for subjective claims of "neglect" or overdiscipling.


Nationally, neglect is the most common form of abuse. Three-fourths (74%) of victims are neglected, 17% are physically abused, 11% are sexually abused, and 0.2% are sex trafficked.


Just goddamn rich watching you idiots overcompensate by calling everyone "philes" after spending the last decade trying to defend softening the language from "phile" to "minor attracted persons", transing kids, creepy teachers demanding to talk about kids' sex lives with them and keep it secret from the parents, giving kids gay porn, drag queen story hour, sending kids to "pride parades" with a bunch of sex offenders in thongs groping each other to techno music in the middle of street, and vehemently objecting to any age verification for hardcore pornography.

Um, the OP is literally a bluesky post from Brian Tyler Cohen, quoting his own bluesky post that is intentionally lying about both the law and the lawsuit, you total idiot. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that you keep getting duped by propaganda.

Some hard projection ITT. The law is not even a philia law, it's a law about prosecuting priests who don't try to have their parishioners' kids taken away for confessing and asking for forgiveness if they overdiscipline or haven't paid enough attention to their child, which for some reason you all hear and immediately think of sex with children. Sexual abuse is only 11% of child abuse. If you or they would like to make "reporting philes" the law, then make that the law instead of pretending that's what it is when 90% of it is trying to turn a religious confessional into a snitch hotline to open up CPS cases to get someone's kids taken away for subjective claims of "neglect" or overdiscipling.


Nationally, neglect is the most common form of abuse. Three-fourths (74%) of victims are neglected, 17% are physically abused, 11% are sexually abused, and 0.2% are sex trafficked.


Just goddamn rich watching you idiots overcompensate by calling everyone "philes" after spending the last decade trying to defend softening the language from "phile" to "minor attracted persons", transing kids, creepy teachers demanding to talk about kids' sex lives with them and keep it secret from the parents, giving kids gay porn, drag queen story hour, sending kids to "pride parades" with a bunch of sex offenders in thongs groping each other to techno music in the middle of street, and vehemently objecting to any age verification for hardcore pornography.

Ya , you attacked the source because reasons , attacking the source doesn't work when multiple sources are reporting it , the story is s not in dispute, do you understand?

Hell it isn't even the source , it's a platform the source is on , your constant whining about bluesky is just weird



The rest of your post is just your usual hysteria, you're broken, carry on

 

[Cid]

What? since when is fucking children a standard practice of Catholicism?

When you make maintaining your social status in the community a higher priority than preventing the rape of children you are implicit in the rape of children.

That's what happens when you hide and move child rapists. You condone sexual predators who rape children and you protect them.


So a really long time now.

 

[Rod1]

When you make maintaining your social status in the community a higher priority than preventing the rape of children you are implicit in the rape of children.

That's what happens when you hide and move child rapists. You condone sexual predators who rape children and you protect them.

And none of those had anything to do with confessions.

So a really long time now.

oh ok, should we extend this to every single group just to be clear here

 

[sickc0d3r]

Well thanks for proving me right again, and showing that your only interest is your hostility towards the religion and "their stupid as all fuck practices".

No, you clown, you don't get to decide who gets rights and who doesn't, and YOU specifically sure as fuck don't because "we the people" already did decide, and you lost. But best of luck to you on your quest to ignore the rights of anybody you don't like. Not off to a great start when even a Biden judge just issued the injunction and said the law was unconstitutional, but best of luck dragging it up to the SCOTUS where the justices are 2/3 Catholic. I'm sure they'll be on your side and rule "yeah, our religion is stupid as fuck and we should totally give it up and let the karate forum decide what our rules should be".

And is it usually goes, their hypocrisy didn't do them any favors when even the state AG admitted that the law would be too hard to defend in federal court because they made it too obvious that it had more to do with targeting religion than protecting kids by adding all kinds of exemptions for secular professions like parents/guardians, counselors, lawyers, doctors, and ONLY specifically removing recognition of "confidential communication" from religious practices.

Thanks for playing, Bozo.


On Friday U.S. district judge David G. Estudillo ruled the priests were "likely to succeed" in their lawsuit and issued a preliminary injunction blocking that part of the law.

"There is no question that SB 5375 burdens plaintiffs’ free exercise of religion," Estudillo wrote. "In situations where Plaintiffs hear confessions related to child abuse or neglect, SB 5375 places them in the position of either complying with the requirements of their faith or violating the law...

"Ultimately, Washington’s failure to demonstrate why it has an interest of the highest order in denying an exemption to clergy while making such exemptions available to other professionals who work with underserved children is likely fatal."

That’s a lot of words to say “yes, you’re right, religious freedom isn’t absolute”.

 

[nostradumbass]

Ya , you attacked the source because reasons , attacking the source doesn't work when multiple sources are reporting it , the story is s not in dispute, do you understand?

Hell it isn't even the source , it's a platform the source is on , your constant whining about bluesky is just weird



The rest of your post is just your usual hysteria, you're broken, carry on

And another empty post from you trying to save face after get slapped around. "Stop making fun of bluesky".

The article doesn't pretend it's a philia law, the Brian Tyler Cohen bluesky post does, which you fell for, but always fun to see you taking yet another L.

 

[sickc0d3r]

It's the AG of the state the law is in, and that is whose office would be defending it in federal court, and he is the one saying it's not really defensible.

Not legally culpable, no, I think it should be treated the same as attorney client privilege that everyone accepts where a defense lawyer doesn't get prosecuted for not only not telling the court when they believe or know their client is guilty, but actively working to deceive the court or jury to avoid punishment for a client they know is guilty.

There are plenty of other examples where you don't believe this either. If a high school or middle student has sex with a teacher or anybody else over 18 and other students knew about it, should they be prosecuted for not reporting it? How about victims themselves? If you got molested at 12, and are now 25 and didn't report it and the guy went on to rape dozens more people over the subsequent 13 years, is that person culpable for all the subsequent rapes?

The priest would be culpable if he was taking part in the crimes, giving the guy advice on how to get away with it, or even being asked about it and directly lying. And again, you couldn't even conceivably arrest a priest until after the rapist is already arrested, tried and convicted, and then you would have to prove that they did know.

The Catholic belief is that they are confessing their sins to God through the priest and asking for forgiveness through the priest. He is not there as your buddy Frank listening to somebody brag about getting away with murdering someone or cheating on his wife or banging a kid, or some blackmail operation or an undercover cop collecting evidence on everyone in the church just to pop out wearing a wire. "Confess your sins so that you can be forgiven. Just kidding, I'm not even really Catholic and you're all in deep shit now".

The priest should be culpable if that person harmed a kid and might do it again. Who cares what they believe about heaven and hell? The priest had an opportunity to stop a criminal child abuser and decided their professional occupation was more important. That’s fucked up. That you think it isn’t fucked up is also fucked up. At least you’re winning internet arguments in your mind, though, bro.

 

[Crazy Source]

Freedom of religion is a thing, it's not that complicated.

Besides that, it practically doesn't make any sense at all. What is it really gonna change? It's gonna be impossible to prove in court that a priest heard a confession and then didn't report it.

It might not be that easy. Maybe that priest talks to others in the church about it. Maybe the eventually gets caught and it comes out in court he confessed in church about it.

That's not what this is about though, right? This is about members of the church protecting other members. This is about the church being able to sweep crimes under the rug. I am wrong here? I haven't read the whole thread.

 

[sickc0d3r]

It might not be that easy. Maybe that priest talks to others in the church about it. Maybe the eventually gets caught and it comes out in court he confessed in church about it.

That's not what this is about though, right? This is about members of the church protecting other members. This is about the church being able to sweep crimes under the rug. I am wrong here? I haven't read the whole thread.

It’s about priests sitting in a wooden box and hearing a child rapist confess to his crimes so they can be absolved and admitted into heaven anyway (awesome way to get out of being a piece of shit person, btw), and then (the priest) being legally obligated to inform authorities. Trump fans: against, normal people and people who don’t hate children: for.

 

[Crazy Source]

It’s about priests sitting in a wooden box and hearing a child rapist confess to his crimes so they can be absolved and admitted into heaven anyway (awesome way to get out of being a piece of shit person, btw), and then (the priest) being legally obligated to inform authorities. Trump fans: against, normal people and people who don’t hate children: for.

Apologies for not reading up. So, it is confined to the confession booth? Is this expressed in the law, or inferred?

 

[AZ103]

Freedom of religion is a thing, it's not that complicated.

Besides that, it practically doesn't make any sense at all. What is it really gonna change? It's gonna be impossible to prove in court that a priest heard a confession and then didn't report it.

Where do you draw the line on religeous freedoms? You personally. Because i can find some really nasty shit just in the abrahamic religions are you going to defend all of it?

 

[AZ103]

Um, the OP is literally a bluesky post from Brian Tyler Cohen, quoting his own bluesky post that is intentionally lying about both the law and the lawsuit, you total idiot. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that you keep getting duped by propaganda.

Some hard projection ITT. The law is not even a philia law, it's a law about prosecuting priests who don't try to have their parishioners' kids taken away for confessing and asking for forgiveness if they overdiscipline or haven't paid enough attention to their child, which for some reason you all hear and immediately think of sex with children. Sexual abuse is only 11% of child abuse. If you or they would like to make "reporting philes" the law, then make that the law instead of pretending that's what it is when 90% of it is trying to turn a religious confessional into a snitch hotline to open up CPS cases to get someone's kids taken away for subjective claims of "neglect" or overdiscipling.


Nationally, neglect is the most common form of abuse. Three-fourths (74%) of victims are neglected, 17% are physically abused, 11% are sexually abused, and 0.2% are sex trafficked.


Just goddamn rich watching you idiots overcompensate by calling everyone "philes" after spending the last decade trying to defend softening the language from "phile" to "minor attracted persons", transing kids, creepy teachers demanding to talk about kids' sex lives with them and keep it secret from the parents, giving kids gay porn, drag queen story hour, sending kids to "pride parades" with a bunch of sex offenders in thongs groping each other to techno music in the middle of street, and vehemently objecting to any age verification for hardcore pornography.

Hey buddy... they should have to report all serious crimes. No one gives a fuck about their "right" to protect criminals. The fact that having to report all crimes would lead to less child abuse sexual or non is just a bonus.