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Law The Trump administration is officially moving to overturn a law that requires clergy to report child sexual abuse, saying it violates priests' constit

Religious freedom vs children's well-being. When it is one or the other, I'll take children's well-being.

Ok extend the law to every single citizen, if your neighbor beats his children and you failed to report then fuck you, off you go to prison with him too.

And what constitutes a duty to report? who knows.
 
That part is in the article and in the OP. The priests and trumps admin are saying that if someone comes in and tells a priest they beat, tortured, and #%@&ed a child that priest doesn’t have to tell anyone.

No one is legally demanding that the whole of the catholic priesthood become mandatory reporters, just the ones in the United States. If they get kicked out of the religion for telling the cops that someone told them they beat, tortured and #%}&ed a small child, what does that say about that religion?

Ok and what are the limits to said laws, if a red State passes a law that says that priests need to mandatory report known undocumented immigrants to ICE or face criminal prosecution, should the law stand or not?
 
Just a question out of curiosity.

What other professions are under a sort of "Good Samaritan" onus, we'll call it, where they are incriminated for not reporting that someone confesses a sex crime (such as against children)? I believe Psychiatrists and other therapists are. What others?

Police? Teachers? Politicians?
 
Just a question out of curiosity.

What other professions are under a sort of "Good Samaritan" onus, we'll call it, where they are incriminated for not reporting that someone confesses a sex crime (such as against children)? I believe Psychiatrists and other therapists are. What others?

Police? Teachers? Politicians?
Pretty much any role where you work frequently with children in an official capacity. School coaches and admin, camp counselors, etc are covered too in California.
 
Just a question out of curiosity.

What other professions are under a sort of "Good Samaritan" onus, we'll call it, where they are incriminated for not reporting that someone confesses a sex crime (such as against children)? I believe Psychiatrists and other therapists are. What others?

Police? Teachers? Politicians?
Its a good question.
I think a better question is, what professions are protected for not reporting?
 


This is normal right guys? Every dad talks about their daughters this way I'm sure.

Whippy McGee approves of this message...as long as he's also kicking dem ass I guess it's okay to look over the sexualizing of young babies.
 
"But but but Muslims". Mosques and imams already do harbor rapists and terrorists and grooming gangs and they don't even have confession.

You can cry about how much you hate the constitution all you want, but that still doesn't change it.
Sidestepping again, you must be a pretty good dancer. The point is, religions aren't free from any and all interference in their stupid as all fuck practices. There are always lines that cannot be crossed, regardless of our right to religious freedom. And the good news is, we, the people, get to define those lines if we want to.

Feel free to die on this hill, though. I'm enjoying watching Trump fans abandon principles to defend everything he does. Starting to think he does a lot of this shit on purpose, just to see if you'll go along. That wily fucker.
 
Ok extend the law to every single citizen, if your neighbor beats his children and you failed to report then fuck you, off you go to prison with him too.

And what constitutes a duty to report? who knows.
Mandated reporters are people—like teachers, doctors, social workers, priests, childcare providers, and law enforcement—who have frequent and early access to children and are thus positioned to detect signs of abuse or neglect early. Your argument is absolutely irrelevant because neighbors aren't mandated reporters, and this is the reason for certain people being mandated reporters. Nothing ambiguous about it- it's codified in law and justifiably so.
 
Just a question out of curiosity.

What other professions are under a sort of "Good Samaritan" onus, we'll call it, where they are incriminated for not reporting that someone confesses a sex crime (such as against children)? I believe Psychiatrists and other therapists are. What others?

Police? Teachers? Politicians?

I found this link in the OP's article.

RCW 26.44.030​


(1)(a) When any practitioner, county coroner or medical examiner, law enforcement officer, professional school personnel, registered or licensed nurse, social service counselor, psychologist, pharmacist, employee of the department of children, youth, and families, licensed or certified child care providers or their employees, employee of the department of social and health services, juvenile probation officer, placement and liaison specialist, responsible living skills program staff, HOPE center staff, state family and children's ombuds or any volunteer in the ombuds's office, or host home program has reasonable cause to believe that a child has suffered abuse or neglect, he or she shall report such incident, or cause a report to be made, to the proper law enforcement agency or to the department as provided in RCW 26.44.040.



I found this on the Google.

RCW 26.44.080

Violation​

Every person who is required to make, or to cause to be made, a report pursuant to RCW 26.44.030 and 26.44.040, and who knowingly fails to make, or fails to cause to be made, such report, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
 
This is a very asinine argument though, torturing children to death is a crime whether its done for religious purposes or not.

Not telling on someone isn't a crime, unless you happen to be a religious person, then suddenly it becomes a crime?

In the first case you are talking about an action, in the second an inaction, if something suddenly becomes illegal because you are religious then it can be argued its against religious freedom.

Also it seems to put a regulatory burden on practitioners of religion to be able to properly identify, document and report abuse, something they may not be trained to do so, and it seems to establish criminal repercussions.

Whether we like it or not, seems to be like a gross violation of 1st Amendment rights, unless you make the law apply to every citizens.
See my other post for an explanation. It's not asinine at all, you just aren't understanding the system or my example.
 
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Surprising they don't get along better.
You left out the other Abrahamic entity....
 
Mandated reporters are people—like teachers, doctors, social workers, priests, childcare providers, and law enforcement—who have frequent and early access to children and are thus positioned to detect signs of abuse or neglect early.
These are PROFESSIONS who need special government licenses, regulation or work for government directly, they also have specialized training and ultimately one can choose not to work in any of those.

You are equating these profession to a PRIVATE CITIZEN exercising a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

Your argument is absolutely irrelevant because neighbors aren't mandated reporters, and this is the reason for certain people being mandated reporters. Nothing ambiguous about it- it's codified in law and justifiably so.
You are singling out practitioners of a religion and impose a duty on them that isn't applied to other private citizens just for practicing their religion, its not going to stand.
 
See my other post for an explanation. It's not asinine at all, you just aren't understanding the system or my example.

Your other posts implies the State can impose a regulatory burden and a duty to a private citizens based on his belief of a sky wizard and impose on the criminal liabilities that are not extended to other citizens.

A church is not a business and a priest is not a profession, your analogy is blatantly wrong.
 
Just a question out of curiosity.

What other professions are under a sort of "Good Samaritan" onus, we'll call it, where they are incriminated for not reporting that someone confesses a sex crime (such as against children)? I believe Psychiatrists and other therapists are. What others?

Police? Teachers? Politicians?

Didn't the Supreme Court ruled that police has no duty to protect? so at best these other professions leads to either getting fired or losing your license.

But since priests are not employed by government or you don't need a license to practice a religion, they decided to go with criminal prosecution?

Its got to be the most stupid law i have read in a while.
 
Your other posts implies the State can impose a regulatory burden and a duty to a private citizens based on his belief of a sky wizard and impose on the criminal liabilities that are not extended to other citizens.

A church is not a business and a priest is not a profession, your analogy is blatantly wrong.
You don't even come close to understanding what I am saying or how this system works. It's not a hard concept- it has nothing to do with private citizens.

BTW- priests earn a taxable salary, so yes, that is a profession.
 
You are singling out practitioners of a religion and impose a duty on them that isn't applied to other private citizens just for practicing their religion, its not going to stand.
So what's the magical line? If your buddy commits a crime in your presence and you go along, but don't do anything and also don't turn him in, it's aiding and abetting, isn't it? If he tells you after the fact and you say nothing, you're off the hook. Sounds dumb to me. If someone confesses (let's say a "qualifying") crime to you as a private citizen, you should be required to report it. If you don't and you're somehow proven to have known about it, you should be punished. I don't see any problem with that, do you?
 
Ok and what are the limits to said laws, if a red State passes a law that says that priests need to mandatory report known undocumented immigrants to ICE or face criminal prosecution, should the law stand or not?
I think the things mandatory reporters are required to report is sufficient enough.
 
Yeah, that's my fault for giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking you weren't being an intentional liar, when there really wasn't much doubt.

If you'd like the constitution torn up, petition your congressman. Until then, it's just crying.
Huh?

Edit: yes, I am crying about priests learning about heinous foul crimes and that the church will excommunicate them if they rat the scum out. I’m crying about the government choosing to back them on this.

Ya got me.
 
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Just a question out of curiosity.

What other professions are under a sort of "Good Samaritan" onus, we'll call it, where they are incriminated for not reporting that someone confesses a sex crime (such as against children)? I believe Psychiatrists and other therapists are. What others?

Police? Teachers? Politicians?
Police, teachers, some individuals in the military (like myself) who hold specific billets, heath care professionals, social security, etc.
 
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