The time on top is short lived

[Kb7]

I said they were good wins.

No, you said they were nothing special when Jones beat them. Shogun Rua was the #1 Lhw on the planet when they fought & the Bader bout was equal to how I see Mcgregor vs Poirier 1 when they both fought. Fighters who had a bright future.

You love to shit on Jones because he threatens your narrative for Fedor being GOAT. Let it go, Fedor hasn't been relevant in the GOAT conversation for years now. Jones, GSP & A.Silva are front runners in that conversation.

 

[Portland8242]

fighters should fight 4 times a year.
none of this once every 15 months bullshit. you get guys who've been fighting for 20 years and their record is like 9-3.

You try fight 4 times a year with the injuries they deal with on a regular basis.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You try fight 4 times a year with the injuries they deal with on a regular basis.

if sugar ray could do it, so can they.

 

[MMAcolyte]

Lost to Gus and Reyes.

Beat both of them but lost to Santos.

I'd have to watch the Reyes fight again, actually. But his spinning-back-elbow in the 4th round of the first Gus fight salvaged that round and the fight for him.

 

[MMAcolyte]

Peter Yan didn't really lose the second fight with Aljo convincingly. Iirc it was a aplit decision, which is the most unconvincing way you can win or lose a fight.

Not saying he should have won, but there's plenty of precedent for other fighters winning uneventful rounds by walking forward, chasing their opponent down while eating the odd low kick (see Rampage versus Machida).

 

[checktheknuckles]

Weidman is overrated as fuck. Dude beat a 38 year old silva to win the belt, who was clowning like a clown. Props for that but we see how he really is, which is closer to his last fights. I do wish we could have seen Weidman fight Bisping. But was Bisping ducking Weidman as hardcore as he was yoel/whittaker/souza?

 

[checktheknuckles]

Beat both of them but lost to Santos.

I'd have to watch the Reyes fight again, actually. But his spinning-back-elbow in the 4th round of the first Gus fight salvaged that round and the fight for him.

That is the most overrated strike in the history of mma. Yeah the elbow landed good, but Gus never fell down or was very rocked from it. After that elbow landed, Jon went for the takedown soon after and Gus stopped it with ease. If you are rocked, you ain't stopping a Jon takedown, especially not with ease. And prior to that, Gus was piecing up Jon that whole round. In fact, Gus landed a big hook that I think had Jon rocked. No one ever mentions this, but that was probably the hardest punch Jon has ever taken.

 

[StonedLemur]

2 Kings brotha

Don't make me wash your mouth out with soap sir lol.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

No, you said they were nothing special when Jones beat them. Shogun Rua was the #1 Lhw on the planet when they fought & the Bader bout was equal to how I see Mcgregor vs Poirier 1 when they both fought. Fighters who had a bright future.

You love to shit on Jones because he threatens your narrative for Fedor being GOAT. Let it go, Fedor hasn't been relevant in the GOAT conversation for years now. Jones, GSP & A.Silva are front runners in that conversation.

I know you don't understand what it means to have two knee reconstructions because you're a couch guy. Shogun had two knee reconstructions by the time he fought Jones and his record since then reflects that. Bader was green but I agree it was a good win. Both wins were good on paper but nothing special. You can say Fedor isn't relevant in GOAT discussion but the GOAT poll says otherwise. Lastly you're a shertard who said Anthony Smith was better than Fedor and Mirko. You're a mid American Walmart guy. All you know is how to be a UFC shertard fanboy.

 

[deanambrose]

Jones beat Shogun to become the youngest champion in ufc history at 23
Ever since then he has only been in title fights
Now at 35 he is still a champion at HW
Apart from a few close decisions and a no contest he never really lost since then

Jones bless

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

Beat both of them but lost to Santos.

I'd have to watch the Reyes fight again, actually. But his spinning-back-elbow in the 4th round of the first Gus fight salvaged that round and the fight for him.

So he lost to Gus, Reyes and Santos. Thanks for taking my point to the house.

 

[kuroro]

Lost to Gus and Reyes.

he did not lose to gustaffson. that's such lame fanboyism.

 

[Kb7]

I know you don't understand what it means to have two knee reconstructions because you're a couch guy. Shogun had two knee reconstructions by the time he fought Jones and his record since then reflects that. Bader was green but I agree it was a good win. Both wins were good on paper but nothing special. You can say Fedor isn't relevant in GOAT discussion but the GOAT poll says otherwise. Lastly you're a shertard who said Anthony Smith was better than Fedor and Mirko. You're a mid American Walmart guy. All you know is how to be a UFC shertard fanboy.

I know how it feels like to crush cans.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

he did not lose to gustaffson. that's such lame fanboyism.

Lost 3 or 4 rounds to Gus.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

I know how it feels like to crush cans.

Ok piker

 

[Southpoor97]

The exceptions to the rules are guys like Silva, GSP, Jones, MM.

But the majority are lucky to defend the belt two or three times. I just saw embedded with Weidman and it's crazy to think how dominant he was and one mistake in the fight with Rockhold seemed to derail everything.

He had a great career but everyone is so vulnerable to that 1 sudden loss that changes everything. Garbrandt, Rockhold, Whittaker, Cyborg, Ronda, Tate etc. It comes then it's gone. And it's very hard to get back in the win column consistently after that happens. It'll be interesting to see what happens to someone like Usman after dropping two to Leon, the first one tht he was winning comfortably. Sort of like Yan, DQd from a fight he was gonna win then loses the rematch convincingly and hits a skid.

Put into perspective those long reigning champions like JJ and GSP who literally retired before losing the belt. Impressive.

Yan didn’t lose his rematch or sterling convincingly lol. It was a split decision based on a very low output round 1 that could go either way with 2-3 clear sterling, and 4/5 clear Yan.
What is this revisionist nonsense

 

[Rationality]

if sugar ray could do it, so can they.

If Sugar Ray was making millions like today he wouldn't have fought 200x.

 

[markg171]

It is NOW. GSP fought like TWICE in the UFC then got his first shot at the WW belt when he was 22ish yrs old. then he fought FIVE MORE TIMES IN ONE YEAR and got another shot. Johnson won the Flyweight belt when he was 26. Of course Jon Jones fought 7X in 3 years and won the belt when he was 24ish. You just don't see men (who knows with WMMA) come in at such young ages now, get a few fights in a couple or 3 years and get a shot at the belt, do you? It seems now that most people who get a shot are in their early 30's now. Once you have 10 fights plus under your belt, and you finally win the belt in your 30's, the money is so much better that you don't want to lose the belt, and you want to make EVERY FIGHT COUNT, MONEY-WISE. I'm just speculating because I haven't looked at the full span of champions, but that's the general impression I get.

Chandler, Pereira, Jiri, etc., recently got title shots after only 1-3 fights in the UFC.

The UFC has always rewarded fighters who win big fights, especially if they do so dramatically. This has never changed, whether it was Anderson getting a title shot after only 1 top win over Leben or the above mentioned recent examples.

If you beat top 5 guys, especially impressively, of course you don't need a long title route. That'd be ridiculous.

 

[ocfightfan]

As others have said their are too many ways to win and lose in this sport.

 

[Fergelmince]

Chandler, Pereira, Jiri, etc., recently got title shots after only 1-3 fights in the UFC.

The UFC has always rewarded fighters who win big fights, especially if they do so dramatically. This has never changed, whether it was Anderson getting a title shot after only 1 top win over Leben or the above mentioned recent examples.

If you beat top 5 guys, especially impressively, of course you don't need a long title route. That'd be ridiculous.

Right, and ALL of them are over 30 and made their name in another promotion. Not the same as GSP or Jones, or even Hughes. And as I describe in my original post, none of them held the belt for any length of time, or in Chandler's case, he'll never win or hold it.