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Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

Watched the first ep because, Picard. That monumental, staggering character built up more than enough of a cache of respect that I would give any series about him a chance, even in this current shameless hackneyed reboot culture.

Watched the second ep because the first ep, while not great, surprisingly wasn’t bad. 2nd one was bad though. Major dip from the first.

Since then, sure enough, it didn’t take long to fall off a cliff, and become just another mess of CGI shit, & meaningless ‘story’, posing as sci-fi, just cashing in on member berries.

Now I watch the show, *solely* to be caught up so I can further enjoy RLM videos.
I think they need to give up. Once they started just shooting out random words in a loss for them, it's too much to bear watching Rich's latest pain face become my new av.
 
Mike Stoklasa's explanation for why they did that to Icheb's (sp?) character seems legit.

The original actor said some shitty things people didn't like, and it came back on him. They hired a different actor to portray him and then the character got tortured.

Not the kind of conclusion I would usually buy into, but it sounds like it could be true.
Manu Intiraymi, has had a few things go down, that has kind of blacklisted him in the trek community. When Anthony Rapp came forward to tell how he was swcually assaulted by Kevin Spacey when he was 14 years old, Manu spent a few days on Twitter defending Spacey, and basically said Rapp is either making it up, or he was at fault for leading Spacey on to molest him. He was also arrested for domestic violence, so he has alot of thing going against him.
 
Manu Intiraymi, has had a few things go down, that has kind of blacklisted him in the trek community. When Anthony Rapp came forward to tell how he was swcually assaulted by Kevin Spacey when he was 14 years old, Manu spent a few days on Twitter defending Spacey, and basically said Rapp is either making it up, or he was at fault for leading Spacey on to molest him. He was also arrested for domestic violence, so he has alot of thing going against him.
I figured it was a thing. People just can't keep their crazy politics and conspiracy theories and social judgements in check anymore.

Think it? Say it!

It's so odd that new ST would do that to a character because of a real life situation, so I have reservations about believing the notion.
 
I haven't looked into it, but find myself wondering:
Is this an intentional sabotage of the characters and the established traits they formerly exhibited, to set up some kind of redemption?

People use drugs, there's poverty, classism, xenophobia and hatred.

Where's the Star Trek?
Where's Starfleet?

How did all this reversal happen between Picard's retirement and now? In what, forty years, the Federation's ideals and policies are gone?

Allowing millions to die is what the Federation ideals have led to? In what, forty years?
A big thing in the tie in novel, was many of the smaller members of the federation, were tired of basically being at the mercy of whatever the popular opinion of the founding federation members was. They started complaining and started threatening to leave the federation. Why should federations world's have to suffer and not progress, to help the federations oldest enemy. Why keep building a rescue fleet to help the Romulans, when those resources could help the federation. Sure they don't want millions to die, but they also Dont think they should be inconvenienced by a "enemies" issue.

It all relates to today's politics, which is what Star Trek has always done. It's nothing new. Just being presented in a new and modern way. The European immigration issue. Mexico border wall and holding families and children in "holding facilities". Brexit and Trump. It's all within this seasons story.
 
I figured it was a thing. People just can't keep their crazy politics and conspiracy theories and social judgements in check anymore.

Think it? Say it!

It's so odd that new ST would do that to a character because of a real life situation, so I have reservations about believing the notion.
I don't think it had anything to do with what Manu said, to Kill Icheb. The death was to show one of the things 7of9 holds most dear, taken from her, further destroying her humanity. The casting itself may had to do with what Many said, but sure they didn't just write him in to get rid of Icheb and hurt Manu. They basically could've killed Icheb, chakotay, or Janeway, to kill someobe she considered close, so they chose the most minor character, her child
 
A big thing in the tie in novel, was many of the smaller members of the federation, were tired of basically being at the mercy of whatever the popular opinion of the founding federation members was. They started complaining and started threatening to leave the federation. Why should federations world's have to suffer and not progress, to help the federations oldest enemy. Why keep building a rescue fleet to help the Romulans, when those resources could help the federation. Sure they don't want millions to die, but they also Dont think they should be inconvenienced by a "enemies" issue.

It all relates to today's politics, which is what Star Trek has always done. It's nothing new. Just being presented in a new and modern way. The European immigration issue. Mexico border wall and holding families and children in "holding facilities". Brexit and Trump. It's all within this seasons story.
Well, yes, it's obvious how they decided to write the show, since they're beating you over the head with subtle social commentary.

It's certainly nothing new, but it had usually been done with some class and without hanging a lampshade on it.

My problem with a lot of this is that it appears the writers think the audience doesn't know anything about basic science concepts and now want a Star Trek that's about revenge, shooting, explosions, ten minute mixed martial arts fight sequences, potato.

It's hard to not to see it as a little slap in the face of Gene's corpse.

A big little slap.
 
I don't think it had anything to do with what Manu said, to Kill Icheb. The death was to show one of the things 7of9 holds most dear, taken from her, further destroying her humanity. The casting itself may had to do with what Many said, but sure they didn't just write him in to get rid of Icheb and hurt Manu. They basically could've killed Icheb, chakotay, or Janeway, to kill someobe she considered close, so they chose the most minor character, her child


... there must be some way to motivate these formerly calm, intellectual characters besides torture and murder.

I had hoped to be pleasantly surprised by Picard, but it's actually disturbing how badly misguided this is.
 
Mike Stoklasa's explanation for why they did that to Icheb's (sp?) character seems legit.

The original actor said some shitty things people didn't like, and it came back on him. They hired a different actor to portray him and then the character got tortured.

Not the kind of conclusion I would usually buy into, but it sounds like it could be true.

Even if he was talking mad shit I’m very skeptical that figured into them killing the character off, when they could have even more easily just never mentioned him again. Like they’ve apparently glossed over more important characters like Chakotay and Janeway.

Like where was Janeway in all of this Romulan refuge business? She’s both younger than Picard and probably was a higher ranking Admiral too as by Nemesis she was already an Admiral. I don’t buy for a second that she wouldn’t have been on team Picard 14 years earlier cheer leading saving the Romulans.
 
Even if he was talking mad shit I’m very skeptical that figured into them killing the character off, when they could have even more easily just never mentioned him again. Like they’ve apparently glossed over more important characters like Chakotay and Janeway.

Like where was Janeway in all of this Romulan refuge business? She’s both younger than Picard and probably was a higher ranking Admiral too as by Nemesis she was already an Admiral. I don’t buy for a second that she wouldn’t have been on team Picard 14 years earlier cheer leading saving the Romulans.
It's my biggest issue with the new direction.

The Federation used to be about a set of ideals, a solid moral foundation. This ST is the complete opposite of the vision Roddenberry portrayed. I don't know that a more irritating storyline could have been contrived. If new ST is gonna be about murder and revenge instead of exploration and science, we've gone in separate directions.

What's certain is that the writers didn't make this show for fans of TNG. The accuracy of characters and scenarios is unimportant here.

I miss seeing that executive producer credit.
 
It's my biggest issue with the new direction.

The Federation used to be about a set of ideals, a solid moral foundation. This ST is the complete opposite of the vision Roddenberry portrayed. I don't know that a more irritating storyline could have been contrived. If new ST is gonna be about murder and revenge instead of exploration and science, we've gone in separate directions.

What's certain is that the writers didn't make this show for fans of TNG. The accuracy of characters and scenarios is unimportant here.

I miss seeing that executive producer credit.
It's been hinted that the Romulans themselves caused the super nova, and also inserted themselves into federation politics to cause division and strife. Just like today, a foreign power interfering with domestic politics. The Romulans have been pulling the strings, causing the Syntheticsto attack Mars. The Romulans evacuated the elite and powerful away from the Empire, and left those low in society to die, so they wouldn't be found out that they destroyed there own empire
 
It's my biggest issue with the new direction.

The Federation used to be about a set of ideals, a solid moral foundation. This ST is the complete opposite of the vision Roddenberry portrayed. I don't know that a more irritating storyline could have been contrived. If new ST is gonna be about murder and revenge instead of exploration and science, we've gone in separate directions.

What's certain is that the writers didn't make this show for fans of TNG. The accuracy of characters and scenarios is unimportant here.

I miss seeing that executive producer credit.
I actually think the show is packed with Canon and details that only hardcore fans would know. Just because they are not how you imagined they would be. They have also said from all along, this would not be TNG. 30 years have past, and the world and characters have changed, as has TV in general.

Take the Orville for example. I really like the show, but other than a few of serialized plot lines, most episodes feel like TNG spec script rejects to me. It feels like a safe, sterile world, but pretty unremarkable. Yes it feels nostalgic to me, but I could watch TNG reruns if I wanted that. I can understand people wanting Picard to be like the old days with TNG, but TV and entertainment have moved on. I'm glad we have new star trek to watch and discuss. I hated ENT when it first came out and gave up on it after about 8 episodes in season 1, only to rediscover it tears later on Netflix, and fall in love with it. Gotta give stuff a chance to develop
 
It's been hinted that the Romulans themselves caused the super nova, and also inserted themselves into federation politics to cause division and strife. Just like today, a foreign power interfering with domestic politics. The Romulans have been pulling the strings, causing the Syntheticsto attack Mars. The Romulans evacuated the elite and powerful away from the Empire, and left those low in society to die, so they wouldn't be found out that they destroyed there own empire
That's why I hate new ST.
I've been an amateur astronomer my whole life, and the idea of any star simply exploding without any warning is absurd to the point that I laughed out loud. As is the idea that it could be induced somehow. It's just silly and terrible writing.

ST with so little regard for such a fundamental thing is offputting.

The idea that the entire Romulan Empire could be wiped out by a single star exploding is absurd. It's not just lazy writing; they MUST have script advisors regarding science content.

And it seems that whomever that person is, their advice isn't being respected.

"You know, ordinary stars don't supernova... oh, fuck it. Whatever."
 
I actually think the show is packed with Canon and details that only hardcore fans would know. Just because they are not how you imagined they would be. They have also said from all along, this would not be TNG. 30 years have past, and the world and characters have changed, as has TV in general.

Take the Orville for example. I really like the show, but other than a few of serialized plot lines, most episodes feel like TNG spec script rejects to me. It feels like a safe, sterile world, but pretty unremarkable. Yes it feels nostalgic to me, but I could watch TNG reruns if I wanted that. I can understand people wanting Picard to be like the old days with TNG, but TV and entertainment have moved on. I'm glad we have new star trek to watch and discuss. I hated ENT when it first came out and gave up on it after about 8 episodes in season 1, only to rediscover it tears later on Netflix, and fall in love with it. Gotta give stuff a chance to develop
Same thing with me and ENT.
I gave it a chance years later and enjoyed it more and appreciated especially T'pol as a fucked up Vulcan struggling to deal with emotions. Jolene Blalock's performance is underrated.
I like Archer as a badass. He's a strong, idealistic leader like Kirk or Picard, etc.

I enjoyed the Orville until the robot war space battle epilepsy inducing drivel.
(I actually have bad epilepsy)

I don't think DISC is bad. I think it's not good ST, regardless of canon nods, but it is good sci-fi action adventure.

If the show develops into a more thoughtful exploration of morality, which is what the essence of ST is, it could get me.
 
I want to make clear, BTW, that all discussion here is between ST fans, and we're all brethren.

I have strong opinions, but nobody should take my opinions personally.

I'd have Bloodwine and Gagh with a side of 1960's colored cubes with you all.
 
When does the last episode of Picard air so I can marathon the entire show?
 
I want to make clear, BTW, that all discussion here is between ST fans, and we're all brethren.

I have strong opinions, but nobody should take my opinions personally.

I'd have Bloodwine and Gagh with a side of 1960's colored cubes with you all.
Of course
 
He was a jaded asshole in future segments of "All Good Things" though. It's canon...
But nobody wants to watch that

It works as a small plot of a really good episode

The finale is great and that's where the show ended man

But to delve into that specific story arc as whole show

Not a good show bro
 
Sorry, I'm trying not to rain on anyone's parade who's enjoying this show but I get going a little too much sometimes lol

It's hard not to man and I dont like to be an a****** either

But the shows so f****** offencive to me that it's like hard to reason that people can enjoy it

You almost have to hate Star Trek to like this new crap

I just don't get it
 
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